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(Mark Steyn) THIS SEPTIC ISLE
National Review ^ | 4 May 2010 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 05/03/2010 11:58:17 PM PDT by JLS

Many years ago, I asked the late Alan Jay Lerner, author of Camelot, Gigi, My Fair Lady and much else, why, as a Broadway colossus, he chose to live in London. And he replied that, in his opinion, Britain was the most eminently civilized society on earth.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: decline; marksteyn; steyn; uk
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To: JLS
Mark describing a brief encounter on the street:

Recently, I dined in what, on my last visit some years back, had been a genteel English spa town. I bid farewell to my companions outside the restaurant and walked the short distance to my rental car, whereupon I was accosted by two underdressed young ladies in their late teens giggling and wobbling unsteadily in high heels. They wanted me to give them a lift to a nearby club. I regretted that I was heading in the opposite direction – whatever that was and wherever it led. They then demanded £20 so that they could call a minicab. I demurred. They offered in return to show me their breasts. I declined the offer, so they lifted up their tops and showed me them anyway. I was getting into the car by this point and the girls had seized the door. An elderly couple of near parodic Englishness – tweedy buffer with horsey missus – hurried by, scowling at me as if it were my fault the streets were now choked with topless trollops. Having gotten out the merchandise, the ladies were insisting I pay for it. And, when I showed no inclination to, they accused me of being of a non-heterosexual persuasion.

1. This is exactly the MO of the "Squeegee Guys" in NYC. Do a job without contract or even permission, then get POed at you when you won't pay for services rendered. It's like when some charity outfit sends you an envelope stuffed with nice return address labels, then ask you to send in $$. Screw 'em. I didn't ask for them. But I do use the stickers.

2. The last part there is exactly what happens when you tell hookers to go away: The call you gay. I don't know why. Maybe they think you'll change your mind and pay to have sex with them just to prove you aren't. "I ain't got nothin' to prove to no whore."

21 posted on 05/04/2010 9:48:06 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Build a man a fire; he'll be warm for a night. Set a man on fire; he'll be warm the rest of his life)
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To: JLS

Agreed, on your comment.

The part about the governing class being insulated really hits home for us, too. Heck, most of the column hit home, as far as that goes.


22 posted on 05/04/2010 9:50:31 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: Melchior

So it’s the Queen’s fault?


23 posted on 05/04/2010 11:11:57 AM PDT by carton253 (Ask me about Throw Away the Scabbard - a Civil War alternate history.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Toronto had squeegee guys and gals for a while some years back but they are now gone for the most part when they were outlawed. There are still panhandlers in their place but the most they do is hold up a sign and look forlorn.


24 posted on 05/04/2010 12:10:42 PM PDT by xp38
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To: carton253
"So it’s the Queen’s fault?"

I'm not quite sure where the buck stops in England. The Royals would seem to have the responsibility to set the tone. Actually, they do, or rather Charles does: he seems to have gone Muslim at some point, which explains quite a lot.
25 posted on 05/04/2010 12:42:26 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Obama: running for re-election in '12 or running for Mahdi now? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi])
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

I believe the buck stops with the individual. At least in my opinion, it does.


26 posted on 05/04/2010 12:53:39 PM PDT by carton253 (Ask me about Throw Away the Scabbard - a Civil War alternate history.)
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To: knews_hound; All

Let me turn the NR Corner related bit into a link:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2505853/posts


27 posted on 05/04/2010 1:23:19 PM PDT by JLS (Democrats: People who wont even let you enjoy an unseasonably warm winter day)
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To: carton253
"I believe the buck stops with the individual. At least in my opinion, it does."

Certainly. But my question regards what is the obligation in latter-day England for the Royals (in particular) to set the cultural and moral tone for the country? Whatever it is, they're doing a piss-poor job of it lately. Charles in particular often needs a good slappin', but IMHO the Queen could be doing and saying a bit more than just looking pretty in her tiara and waving to the dwindling crowds of tourists and aging natives.
28 posted on 05/04/2010 2:59:03 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Obama: running for re-election in '12 or running for Mahdi now? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi])
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To: carton253

Actually, I blame it all on George I.


29 posted on 05/04/2010 3:18:03 PM PDT by Melchior
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To: Melchior

Now, that’s just funny.


30 posted on 05/04/2010 3:34:14 PM PDT by carton253 (Ask me about Throw Away the Scabbard - a Civil War alternate history.)
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To: JLS

Look around, we are just shy of the same behavior here.


31 posted on 05/04/2010 4:56:49 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions...$1 Halfbaked...50c)
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To: JLS

32 posted on 05/04/2010 5:00:19 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions...$1 Halfbaked...50c)
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To: JLS

Seems the tarts got it right when they yelled at Steyn “You’re everything that’s wrong with this country!” For you see, Steyn and every other sentient Englishman has abandoned that septic isle and thus the lunatics have the run of the asylum.


33 posted on 05/04/2010 7:51:34 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("The real death threat is their legislation" Rush Limbaugh, 3/25/10)
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To: mylife
Dalrymple is brilliant. Just finished The New Vichy Syndrome - highly recommended.
34 posted on 05/04/2010 8:01:08 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

I will check it out.


35 posted on 05/04/2010 8:21:16 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions...$1 Halfbaked...50c)
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To: Melchior; carton253; RightOnTheLeftCoast
A little reality, perhaps, from somebody who actually knows some of the Royal Family, personally, and who follows them pretty closely.

Let's start with the basics - Her Majesty the Queen is a devout Christian. One of the most devout I have ever met. I would say that her faith is a fairly simple one, but it's a very pure one as well. She believes in God, and in doing her duty as she swore to God, with all her heart and soul. Other members of the Royal Family, I'm less sure about - some certainly seem devout, but they are more or less required to. The Prince of Wales, who is a friend of mine, is certainly no Moslem, despite ridiculous assertions that have been made in the past - but I'm not sure how Christian he is. My view is that he's fairly typical of most modern adherents of the Church of England, including, I will say in honesty, myself. It's a fairly lukewarm thing, it's hard to get excited about a Church that doesn't seem to know where it's going. But whether religious or not, what all the adult members of the Royal Family have - and the younger ones do seem to be acquiring it as they enter adulthood - is a sense of duty to their country.

Constitutionally, the Queen is very limited in her powers (except in particular crisis situations, one of which - a hung parliament - may well develop in the next few days). She has the power and right to be kept informed by her Prime Minister, to advise her Prime Minister, and to warn her Prime Minister. If he (or she) chooses not to accept Her Majesty's advice, or her warnings, then that's the way it is. I am, fairly well certain, Her Majesty has advised and warned Mr Brown, and previously advised and warned Mr Blair, about many aspects of their policies that I am sure she personally disagrees with. But as long as the people elect their governments, they are not bound to accept her views.

In terms of setting an example for the people of Britain, I believe they do that. I'm just not sure that all that many of the people of Britain know that they are doing it, and that's largely the fault of the media, selectively reporting what the Royals do. Set an example - well, a few observations.

Nearly all the Royal family do attend Church every Sunday. Not many other people in the UK seem to - but they do. There's not really much they can do to improve these things, but they attend themselves, and they are public in their attendance and observation.

In terms of other things they do - let's just look for the moment at the Prince of Wales. Let's look at his official diary for the next week.

Today, 5th of May, his wife, the Duchess of Cornwall is presenting campaign medals to soldiers of 4th Batallion, the Rifles. She is their Colonel-In-Chief.

On Friday, the Prince himself will be presenting wings to soldiers who have just completed their training for the Army Air Corps.

On Saturday both of them will be attending commemorations for the 65th Anniversary of VE Day and the Prince of Wales will be meeting veterans after that.

Sunday, he will also be meeting veterans - Cavalry this time.

These are next four official engagements - all four of which will be spent honouring current and former members of the British Armed Forces. If this isn't setting an example, I'm really not sure what it is. But the media rarely reports it.

Setting an example - Prince William is currently training as a Search-and-Rescue pilot with the RAF. Prince Harry is training as a combat helicopter pilot with the Army, having already served in Afghanistan. Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie are both at university, and are not expected to take on an active role in the Royal family until their studies are completed. Nonetheless, the weekend before last, Beatrice ran the London Marathon to help raise money for one of her mother's charities. If that isn't setting a good example for other 21 year old university students, I'm not sure what I'd call it.

Go up one generation - all three male Princes in that generation (The Prince of Wales, the Duke of York, and the Earl of Wessex) served in the British Armed Forces - the Duke of York with the most distinction, but all three served). This is a family where nearly all the men has worn the uniform, and if called upon, have gone to war. If that's not setting a good example, then, again, I don't know what people think they should do.

Are they perfect? By no means. But to blame them in any way for what Britain has become is, in my view, completely unreasonable. If Britain was full of families where everybody went to Church, and where people routinely chose to serve their country, it would be a very different place.

36 posted on 05/05/2010 1:43:46 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: Cyber Liberty
A spray-can of 5% oleoresin capsicum usually stops that.
37 posted on 05/05/2010 3:20:42 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: naturalman1975
Today, 5th of May, his wife, the Duchess of Cornwall is presenting campaign medals to soldiers of 4th Batallion, the Rifles. She is their Colonel-In-Chief.

Well, there you are. This week, Wales and Cornwall are busy with honors and ceremonies for the troops and veterans -- no doubt all well-deserved. Good.

Meanwhile, we're trying to cross the street without being bothered by exhibitionists, prostitutes, and squeegee pests.

There's a deep dichotomy there. Civility on the one hand, rudeness and disorderly conduct just this side of robbery by force on the other.

38 posted on 05/05/2010 3:35:35 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: JLS

Let a muslim in your life,
And you invite eternal strife.

He’ll redecorate your home,
from the cellar to the dome,
Then go to the enthralling fun
Of overhauling you.

I’d prefer a new edition
Of the Spanish Inquisition
Than to ever let a muslim in my life.

(with apologies to Lerner)


39 posted on 05/05/2010 4:59:06 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (STOP the Tyrananny State.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
This is exactly the MO of the "Squeegee Guys" in NYC. Do a job without contract or even permission, then get POed at you when you won't pay for services rendered,

Out in the Valley we're a bit more sophisticated. Scrub will unpack the truck and setup equipment while Slick talks to you about the dangers of not sealing your driveway.

40 posted on 05/05/2010 5:14:24 AM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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