Posted on 06/25/2010 10:13:56 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
If there weren't ILLEGAL immigrants willing to work under these conditions, and skewing the free market for labor, wages would have to rise and Americans WOULD take the jobs.
Imagines if there were ~550 Americans willing to be a Congressman/Senator for no wages/perks and actually read legislation and consider their constituents before voting. And current politicians had to compete with the people for their own jobs... fair??
This is just a way to confuse the issue. Jobs may be an issue in some cases. But the big and important issue is - the difference between legal and illegal immigrants. Legal, OK, illegal, not OK. All other talk is nonsense and a red herring.
For both the farmer and the worker -- pay for production and not by the hour. No reason Jake should get the same as Sam if Sam picks twice as much.
It will also give a true value. Work to fill one basket of strawberries and you'll get an idea how hard it is to do, how long it takes, and what you'll take to work that hard for that long.
Around here the illegal aliens dominate the construction business except for electricians and plumbers and I expect that is just a matter of time.
Don’t live in nor near agricultural areas but we’d happily take “our jobs” from those doing roofing, construction, lawn, housecleaning, and all restaurant, not to mention the cities hiring illegals to do their “green work,” street repair, etc. in the Metro Kansas City area (especially on the KS side of the State Line.)
It isn’t itinerant farm labor jobs that is the problem.
It is the janitorial, meat packing, chicken-flicking, construction, ship yard, fence building, fast food & restaurant, hospital/hospitality ancillary, and other sector jobs that are being taken over by the invading hordes.
These people don’t want Americans to remember the huge lines of unemployed Americn applicants at several sites, in multiple states, after immigration raids under GWB.
Why not make juvenile delinquents and lifer convicts do all the work? Get them out of their cells and do something for the money that supports them.
I didn’t call you a bastard. I do think you’re a narcissistic idiot if you think what I posted refers to you as a bastard.
By the way, I own a small farm with sheep, chicken, several cattle, dogs with vegetable and orchard gardens. And I grew up on a 2,500 acre soybean and corn farm in Indiana. Which is why I said what I said only to have it validated by you some 9 minutes later.
"D. Illegal immigrants are not just underpaid; they are very likely to suffer work-related disabilities which are not covered by insurance. They often do not have a place to live. Since they usually do not get any benefits, their care increasingly has become the responsibility of the state government.
"The strawberry has long been known to migrants as la fruta del diablo - the fruit of the devil. Picking strawberries is some of the lowest-paid, most difficult, and therefore least desirable farmwork in California. Strawberries are fragile and bruise easily. They must be picked with great care, especially the berries that will be sold fresh at the market.
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"You must bend at the waist to pick the fruit, which explains why the job is so difficult. Bending over that way for an hour can cause a stiff back; doing so for ten to twelve hours a day, weeks at a time, can cause excruciating pain and lifelong disabilities. Most strawberry pickers suffer back pain."
http://www.eriposte.com/civil_rights/non-citizens/ca_strawberry_industry.htm
Therefore, illegal immigant pickers create a false economy; certainly a false price for strawberries. that is probably the reason strawberries used to be grown at home.
They are the equivalent of serf labor, and serf/slave labor distorts a free market.
This is total BS! The number of people unemployed is so full of shit. You can’t call a person who does not want to work “Unemployed”. SOme folks rather sit on their ass and collect ObamaCare rather than work. There is no incentive for these people. Just go out and have more children and sooner or later, you will out number those decent folks who work for what they get. Then, we all die from killing each other, just at they do in CHicago. No repect and no values. WHen the handouts stop, no reason not to go rob, rape or kill for what you want. You voted for him, now live with his shit!
This is total BS! The number of people unemployed is so full of shit. You can’t call a person who does not want to work “Unemployed”. SOme folks rather sit on their ass and collect ObamaCare rather than work. There is no incentive for these people. Just go out and have more children and sooner or later, you will out number those decent folks who work for what they get. Then, we all die from killing each other, just at they do in CHicago. No repect and no values. WHen the handouts stop, no reason not to go rob, rape or kill for what you want. You voted for him, now live with his shit!
This is total BS! The number of people unemployed is so full of shit. You can’t call a person who does not want to work “Unemployed”. SOme folks rather sit on their ass and collect ObamaCare rather than work. There is no incentive for these people. Just go out and have more children and sooner or later, you will out number those decent folks who work for what they get. Then, we all die from killing each other, just at they do in CHicago. No repect and no values. WHen the handouts stop, no reason not to go rob, rape or kill for what you want. You voted for him, now live with his shit!
You think lazy fat McDonalds eating Americans will take this job? Hahaha, and next you will tell me President Obama is not a socialist.
I bet no more then 25 Americans sign up for this. And I bet out of those 25, 20 don’t make it past the first day.
America, and white America in particular, has become a fat lazy country willing to suck off the government teet, and unable to do any hard labor anymore
“Now farmers are offering their jobs only to people who are legally entitled to take them. The employers and applicants negotiate a wage they can both accept and work commences.
100% correct.
It’s a catch 22.... Because the Illegals take the jobs the farmers don’t have to pay even minimum wage and because they won’t pay even minimum wage Americans wont take the job..
I used to sell balloons in 95+ degree heat carrying 50 lbs worth of stuff when I was a teenager (90’s). Sometimes I would make a lot (300 in a day) some times a little (5$ a day)... It averaged out to a bout 10-15$ an hour and had friends lined up to do it should any slots open up.
If these farm workers were paying 10-12$ an hour they would have little trouble finding teens and college students willing to do it.
>>For this very reason. I doubt those on unemployment would take those jobs.<<
We would. In fact, I know tons of tweens and teens that would die to have those jobs.
We were out three hours at the height of the day. (would have been out longer if we didn’t miss the height of ripe) They make it out like it’s a living hell. It’s not. I did it as a kid for spending cash, now my kids do it to stock away food. A straw sun hat, white clothes, a cooler with bottles of water and you CAN go all day. It’s hard when you start (and my 49 year old hips are aching today) but my Tweens made it through just fine.
We were out picking Strawberries yesterday. Today we processed 30 pounds of them.
“America, and white America in particular, has become a fat lazy country...”
Let this hard-working white American be the first to say “up yours”.
Of course-—have a guest worker program.
THere ARE INDEED some jobs Mexican illegals (or even
legals) would flock to well before any American of any age would. THAT , however, is the classic “false choice” that the open borders crowd likes to foist on us, as if it’s THAT the defines the whole issue of Illegal Immigration
and, beyond that, looming amnesty. It DOESN’T. Those of us
against Illegal Immigration might be against it for a whole host of reasons, but I assure you, CRIME, and NOT honest labor, is chief among them. They are demagoguing this issue even in these late stages, just as they’ve done for decades, because it’s worked. They’re hoping it will work again.
Prisons are full of free labor use them time to earn their keep.
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