Posted on 07/11/2010 9:15:56 AM PDT by Kaslin
When you need to pass a test and get a license to use your right to free speech or to read a book then we can talk about tests and licenses for guns. Actually I don’t want to give this administration any ideas.
This is a back door attempt to locate and control gun ownership.
“So sorry Mr. Jones but you failed our gun safety course and must now turn in all of your firearms.”
“No we will no pay ou for those nice weapons.”
See post 18. I was writing it right as you were writing yours.
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Useful? Yes.
Recommended? Yes.
Required? Absolutely not.
I am for requirements of safety classes or displayed competency to purchase first hunting license, hunter’s ed, military, participation in shooting sports, etc. I am against those same requirements to simply own a gun.
Requirements to exercise a right put an artificial gate to that right. There is no prerequisite to freedom of speech, religion, press, assembly, or petition. There is no prerequisite to any other right given to us by God and enumerated in the Constitution.
Is there mandatory government training to be able to exercise the vote? Peacefully assemble? Worship in the church of your choice? Start your own newspaper? Get a jury trial?Excellent point. You may also want to remember that the source of many a gun control measure was racism – certain people didn't want minorities to be able to defend themselves. Why don't the Leftists ever mention that?
And once upon a time in the 50’s and 60’s, Firearms Safety training was part of the public school Physical Education curriculum. So if every grade school child in America took a 9 weeks basic training in the handling, care and shooting of firearms, we would be a stronger nation and could do away with all these stupid restrictions. Problem solved.
I helped teach an NRA safety course once, and can see where gun safety courses might be useful for some young people and others who are unfamiliar or uncomfortable with firearms, but that doesn’t make me think it is the government’s business to make safety courses mandatory. If you want or need to take a gun safety, shooting, combat course, go for it.
IMO veterans that have weapons training should be exempt from small arms permit requirements. This includes permits in states that require a gun course. A DD214 should be sufficient.
Mandatory = infringement.
Guns aren’t that complicated. The left deliberately tries to make them seem more complicated then they are to scare people away from them. It’s shameful.
I’m all for allowing tax deductions for firearm trianing, but mandating it is just another way to limit ownership.
“Theoretically speaking, we require people to pass a driving test to get a driver’s license, which is supposed to show a minimum understanding of how to drive....”
The failing in your analogy is that no license is required to purchase a car. There are no age limits or restrictions on what type, max speed, or how many vehciles you can own. You don’t need to register them. No license is required to drive unless you are on a public road. Anyone with the money (or a loan) can buy any vehcile, even a commercial vehicle, even a felon on parole with multiple DUI fatalities.
Firearms and vehicles are completely different. Firearms are a fundamental right to all people. They aren’t just random pieces of property, they’re the assurance that you can unseat an unjust governement if needed.
See post 18.
And I’d disagree on your critique of the analogy, for it it is as you say, then the anti-gun left could then pass laws allowing everyone to buy a gun, but make it illegal to use a gun.
And that would pass your muster in the critique. I’d say that’d be just as constitutionally wrong as banning guns itself.
Some people definitely need training on voting, and if they fail they should not be allowed to
We oughtta get back to that, if anything.
What’s to disagree with? I’m not for restricting cars, either. There are no restrictions at all on car sales, only on driving them on public roads.
Your analogy that it’s OK to restrict gun sales by mandating training because you need a license to drive on a public road is a bit of a non-sequitor.
It is not possible to pass an enforcable law that mandates the purchase of any private product. That is what will unseat the health care “reform” law in the end. The exercise of rights are a choice, not a mandate. If you don’t want to use yours then don’t, but anyone who tries to take them from someone else because they don’t use theirs should be executed.
Just have Gun Ed in high schools
My dad taught me everything I need to know about firearm safety, function and application.
I think the individual is smart enough to know if he or she needs training or not. The training mandates are just feel-good hurdles put in place as an obstacle to slow down the rate of legally carried firearms. Here in Indiana, our local officials require nothing more than an absence of a felony record in order to carry. I even have serious issues with permits of any kind, let alone mandatory training. Even an ex-felon should be able to carry. If he can't be trusted with a firearm, he should be dead or in jail. We have to stop treating this as some sort of privilege afforded to us because it is NOT. We own it, we were born with it and we should go to our graves with it. We've given far too much leniency by accepting mandates for permits, etc... In my humble opinion, a background check for mental stability should be the only requirement... and shouldn't cost you any money at all.
I see a troubling trend as folks celebrate the recent SCOTUS decisions. Most see them as small victories in the right direction. But, you see these have all passed with a slim win and directly along political lines... this is a very scary thought. Also, each of these decisions have come with attached language showing our justices somehow recognize the right of the government to restrict but not prohibit.
"Shall not infringe" could not be more clear; and any interpretation is nothing more than disagreement with the ideology overall.
Let us not be satisfied with the small "victories" , as each of these victories are chiseling away at the constitution and your rights in general.
BINGO!
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