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New climate computer model released
UPI ^ | 8/19/2010

Posted on 08/19/2010 5:39:29 PM PDT by markomalley

BOULDER, Colo., Aug. 19 (UPI) -- Climate scientists say new computer simulation software released by U.S. researchers will be a primary tool as they prepare to study climate change models.

The Community Earth System Model from the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo., will be one of the primary climate models used for the next assessment by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a National Science Foundation release said Wednesday.

The CESM is the latest in a series of global models developed during the past 30 years, jointly supported by the U.S. Department of Energy and the National Science Foundation. It was developed by scientists and engineers at NCAR, Department of Energy laboratories, and several universities, the release said.

"The Community Earth System Model is yet another step toward representing improved physics and biogeochemistry in a coupled model," Anjuli Bamzai, program director in NSF's Division of Atmospheric and Geospace Sciences, said. "As our understanding of climate-relevant processes improves, it is imperative to represent these processes in the model."

The new model's advanced capabilities will help scientists shed new light on some of the critical mysteries of global warming, researchers say.

The CESM, freely available to researchers worldwide, can be used to simulate the many components of Earth's climate system, including the oceans, atmosphere, sea ice and land cover.

Climate scientists rely on computer models to understand Earth's climate system because they cannot conduct large-scale experiments on the atmosphere itself.


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KEYWORDS: catastrophism; climatechange; climatechangehoax; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; newandimprovedbs; planetgore
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The real story: the old model didn't give the results they want. What to do? Change the model.
1 posted on 08/19/2010 5:39:31 PM PDT by markomalley
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To: steelyourfaith

you might be interested in this


2 posted on 08/19/2010 5:40:03 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: markomalley

All new fudge factors!


3 posted on 08/19/2010 5:40:54 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: markomalley

Yah. And the source data itself was bogus. No model will fix that.


4 posted on 08/19/2010 5:41:04 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: markomalley

To test play it backwards and tell us the results.


5 posted on 08/19/2010 5:41:25 PM PDT by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: markomalley

If it has not been validated it is garbage.


6 posted on 08/19/2010 5:42:54 PM PDT by Eaglefixer
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To: Eaglefixer

Al Bore is one of the programmers.


7 posted on 08/19/2010 5:44:09 PM PDT by MisterArtery
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To: markomalley
The new model's advanced capabilities will help scientists shed new light on some of the critical mysteries of global warming, researchers say.

I would feel a lot better about this if they didn't start right at the assumption that global warming is real.
8 posted on 08/19/2010 5:44:50 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: markomalley
Damn folks that think that they can predict the future in regard to climate. TOO MANY FACTORS......Mere speculation.

I'm going to guess that next summer, it's going to be hot and cool off in the fall. Then it's going to snow. Temperatures will average what they have been for the last 500 years. Oops...we only know 200 years...everything else is a big fat guess.

9 posted on 08/19/2010 5:46:48 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: bmwcyle

So this is how science works now? A new model comes down from the mountains and all the climate scientists bow before it? What ever happened to a healthy dose of skepticism?


10 posted on 08/19/2010 5:48:39 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: markomalley
Hi!

I'm your new Climate Computer Model.

Give me some in-put.

Bay-bee.

11 posted on 08/19/2010 5:50:02 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: markomalley
"The new model's advanced capabilities will help scientists shed new light on some of the critical mysteries of global warming, researchers say."

Well this sounds impartial already! ;-)

12 posted on 08/19/2010 5:50:47 PM PDT by stumptalker
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To: markomalley; DollyCali; IrishCatholic; meyer; SteamShovel; Desdemona; grey_whiskers; proud_yank; ...
Thanx markomalley !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

13 posted on 08/19/2010 5:51:04 PM PDT by steelyourfaith ("Release the Second Chakra !!!!!!!" ... Al Gore, 10/24/06)
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To: markomalley

ping


14 posted on 08/19/2010 5:51:43 PM PDT by unkus
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To: markomalley
Climate scientists rely on computer models to understand Earth's climate system because they cannot conduct large-scale experiments on the atmosphere itself.

Thank God!

15 posted on 08/19/2010 5:51:56 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: markomalley; Ernest_at_the_Beach
The new model's advanced capabilities will help scientists shed new light on some of the critical mysteries of global warming, researchers say.

There's nothing quite like telling us what the conclusion will be before running the data through the new model!

16 posted on 08/19/2010 5:52:00 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: markomalley

17 posted on 08/19/2010 5:52:57 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: markomalley

And yet they can’t predict the weather 3 days from now. Such arrogance.


18 posted on 08/19/2010 5:56:01 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (California Bankruptcy in 4... 3... 2...)
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To: markomalley
Model(s)

Read once that the letter “s” was the real problem with the science of global warming

When you have one model all agree on that actually can prove something scientific then you are closer to having truth instead basically a guess

19 posted on 08/19/2010 5:56:32 PM PDT by Popman (Obama. First Marxist to turn a five year Marxist plan into a 4 year administration.)
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To: markomalley

Remember how those models we built as a kid weren’t the real thing and we kinda knew that but it was fun to pretend they were real...................


20 posted on 08/19/2010 5:57:44 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: markomalley

Remember those models we built as kids. We know they weren’t real but it was fun to pretend they were..............


21 posted on 08/19/2010 5:59:44 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: markomalley

Remember those models we built as kids. We know they weren’t real but it was fun to pretend they were..............


22 posted on 08/19/2010 6:00:00 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: markomalley

I bet they based their model on NASA satellite temperature readings


23 posted on 08/19/2010 6:01:18 PM PDT by fso301
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To: markomalley

I wish they would develop a “computer model” that would accurately tell us what the weather is going to be like tomorrow.


24 posted on 08/19/2010 6:03:20 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (DemocRATS! America's Taliban!)
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To: cripplecreek

We are in the Progressive Dark Ages. Science is toast.


25 posted on 08/19/2010 6:07:04 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: markomalley

How many months of the year does the new model predict temperatures of the Great Lakes to be above 600 degrees F?


26 posted on 08/19/2010 6:09:32 PM PDT by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality Now: Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: markomalley

You nailed it. Bump!


27 posted on 08/19/2010 6:11:34 PM PDT by upchuck (Unemployment benefits -- the NEW Welfare.)
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To: markomalley

Remember those models we built as kids. We know they weren’t real but it was fun to pretend they were..............


28 posted on 08/19/2010 6:15:47 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: markomalley

Oh, wonderful, yet another discrete model of a continuous non-linear dynamical system.


29 posted on 08/19/2010 6:18:39 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: markomalley
Models can say a lot of things. Actual data interpreted through established principles come to stronger conclusions.

No Smoking Hot Spot (The Australian)

That article takes Greenhouse Theory at face value and by the criterion set up in the theory itself finds no evidence of warming on the basis of greenhouse effect.

The Hidden Flaw in Greenhouse Theory

Falsification Of The Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Effects Within The Frame Of Physics

Harvard astrophysicist dismisses AGW theory, challenges peers to 'take back climate science'

It Is Impossible For A 100 ppm Increase In Atmospheric CO2 Concentration To Cause Global Warming

Those four articles each show that Greenhouse Theory has no basis in reality due to a direct conflict with the known laws of physics. No wonder the smoking gun "hotspot" can't be found.

Claim That Sea Level Is Rising Is a Total Fraud

That article pretty much puts the kibosh on any serious trend of planetary warming from any cause. Think about it. If there is absolutely no sign at all of rising sea levels how could the planet be warming? Beyond the centuries long slow warming of the earth and rising of the seas of course. But that is only a few millimeters per century due to the inter-glacial period we are in.

30 posted on 08/19/2010 6:18:56 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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I bet they based their model on NASA satellite temperature readings

Heh, no doubt.

Who wants to bet that those terrestrial weather stations are still bolted to the sides of rooftop A/C units and such, too.

31 posted on 08/19/2010 6:19:27 PM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: 75thOVI; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; BBell; ...
markomalley: "the old model didn't give the results they want. What to do? Change the model."

Bingo.
The new model's advanced capabilities will help scientists shed new light on some of the critical mysteries of global warming, researchers say.
Thanks markomalley.
 
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32 posted on 08/19/2010 6:19:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: markomalley

Remember those models we built as kids. We know they weren’t real but it was fun to pretend they were..............


33 posted on 08/19/2010 6:21:05 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: markomalley
"biogeochemistry"

Any chaos in that?

34 posted on 08/19/2010 6:24:06 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: The_Reader_David
Discrete models can in fact work well for non-linear continuous systems. That's not the real issue. The real issue is that
(a) they use climate sensitivities to CO2 which are 200-300% larger than values independently calculated from the physics,
(b) they ignore the variations in the sun's effect,
(c) they can't model clouds and cloud formation accurately, which is a big problem since clouds block most of the incoming energy from the sun during the day, and trap heat at night.
35 posted on 08/19/2010 6:43:59 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: Paladin2; SunkenCiv

I make up better words than that.


36 posted on 08/19/2010 6:44:29 PM PDT by bigheadfred (apoplectic purple)
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To: markomalley

GIGO


37 posted on 08/19/2010 7:01:20 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there.)
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To: Raycpa

bump


38 posted on 08/19/2010 7:02:43 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there.)
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To: markomalley
Here's the current image of the Sun:


You may notice something missing...

39 posted on 08/19/2010 7:07:15 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty (In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not.)
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To: PreciousLiberty

No spots?


40 posted on 08/19/2010 7:08:43 PM PDT by Raebie
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To: markomalley

Oh wow, a new way to manipulate more climate data..... /s =.=


41 posted on 08/19/2010 7:10:24 PM PDT by cranked
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I registered to get a username and password for the subversion repository for CESM. Then it will be time to take a look at the source code for this new model.

http://www.cesm.ucar.edu/models/cesm1.0/register/register_cesm1.0.cgi

42 posted on 08/19/2010 7:14:40 PM PDT by gcraig (Freedom isn't free)
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To: markomalley

The first 10k were wrong, so I figure we’re due for a win. :)


43 posted on 08/19/2010 7:53:29 PM PDT by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: markomalley

“The new model’s advanced capabilities will help scientists shed new light on some of the critical mysteries of global warming, researchers say.”

I really doubt it. These models are only as good as the assumptions that go into them. You have to remember that climate models exist in the first place because climate is not understood. So, lots of assumptions have to be made about some of the parts that are not understood to make the models workable.

Assumptions imply subjectivity and subjectivity is now driven in the climate sciences by politics rather than science. Unfortunately, climate models are mostly exercises in politics.


44 posted on 08/19/2010 7:53:36 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from the Right Stuff!)
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To: stumptalker

It will help shed some light on the mysteries of climate software.


45 posted on 08/19/2010 7:57:37 PM PDT by ully2 (ully)
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To: markomalley
Community Earth System Model

Anything with "community" in its name for no good reason, is suspect.

46 posted on 08/19/2010 7:59:07 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("I've studied bible prophecy 30 years." usually means "I've never hear of Geerhardus Vos.")
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To: markomalley

The Community Earth System Model....

Community? Odd choice dontcha think?

Can it tell me what the temp or other stats were on the day I was born? I didn’t think so.


47 posted on 08/19/2010 8:38:04 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afganistan and Iraq))
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To: markomalley

When the truth is found to be lies...make up some new ones quick.


48 posted on 08/19/2010 8:40:13 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afganistan and Iraq))
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To: FlingWingFlyer

The most insightful model is WRF-ARW. You can get it here: http://www.mmm.ucar.edu/wrf/users/download/get_source.html

Note: it doesn’t run on Windows, possibly except CygWin (a Linux emulator). You need Unix/Linux or Macintosh. A supercomputer is helpful, but you can run limited domains on an ordinary computer.


49 posted on 08/19/2010 8:47:13 PM PDT by dufekin (Name our lead enemy: Islamic Republic of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Islamofascist terrorist dictator)
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To: paulycy

None, unless you feed that erroneous data into your model.


50 posted on 08/19/2010 8:48:38 PM PDT by dufekin (Name our lead enemy: Islamic Republic of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Islamofascist terrorist dictator)
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