In Support of Westboro Baptist [Dr. Terry Jones "burn a Koran" supports Fred Phelps]

Dove World Outreach Center ^ | April 21, 2010

[a fool in paradise]

I'm happy to see folks burning the United Nations flag.

If you burn a Unitarian religious text, does the whole thetistic world get upset?

[RushIsMyTeddyBear]

Good post. Food for thought. :-)

[Yet_Again]

The Old Testament is also filled with references to killing women, children and animals, and taking the goods in areas that were occupied by idolators. Do you support that as well? First, "filled with" is a mischaracterization designed to malign the Old Testament. Yes, on occasion God did give these instructions to the Israelites. All a modern has to do to understand the reasoning behind such instructions is to look at the Islamic world. Some things are so corrupt they are simply beyond reform.

[Crim]

“So.... you wouldn’t have a problem with witches burning the Bible? Or filthy communists burning the flag?”

If you’re asking if it offends me....the answer is yes...

So what...lots of stuff offends me....I dont go ape shit over it and threaten to Riot and murder...

If you’re asking If I have issues with the 1st Amendment...the answer is No...

“Both of these, along with the Koran burning, are legal under the First Amendment.”

And that should be the end of the argument...This is still America.

If the muslims dont like it they can pound sand...

“But all three of these are offensive and pointless, in my opinion.”

And legal...like drawing a cartoon of Mohammed...

[af_vet_rr]

They are putting themselves in harms way

My son and everybody else who is serving in the military in Afghanistan or Iraq are putting themselves in harm's way.

This little "church" is not.

This little "church" is looking for attention. If the members of this church want to get off their butts and actually do something meaningful, they can call on their members to give up their comfy civilian lives and join the military and actually fight the radicals in the Middle East. That's a hard thing to do and from what I've seen, few, if any of their members are up to the task.

They could go and become Christian missionaries or aid workers in the Middle East or Africa, and help spread the teachings of Christ, but again, that's difficult and requires giving up comfy lives and comfy jobs. Burning books is so much easier and lazier and can be done from the comfort of your hometown.

Personally, I'm not buying into what this "church" is selling. They support Westboro Baptist Church, and they are conveniently drawing attention away from the mosque in NYC, and the media is helping them do that.

Jesus wouldn't sit around burning books, he would be out there reaching out too muslims and spreading the Word. These people are just lazy and helping Obama out.

[ohioWfan]

Just for the record, I am a big fan of the Old Testament and read through it (along with the New Testament) every year. I regret that more pastors don't preach from the Old Testament because it is rich in wisdom and imperative in understanding who God is, with all His attributes.

The idea, therefore, that my comment about the many times the Israelites were instructed by God to wipe out their enemies is an attempt to "malign" it is a spurious argument.

Burning the Koran and endangering our troops is a bad idea, and this wayward, attention-seeking 'pastor' is out of line. His support of Fred Phelps is a good indicator that his character is deeply flawed.

[christianhomeschoolmommaof3]

Excellent post!!!!

[ohioWfan]

Wow. GREAT post, af_vet. On the money. Thanks!

[chessplayer]

“This little “church” is looking for attention. If the members of this church want to get off their butts and actually do something meaningful, they can call on their members to give up their comfy civilian lives and join the military and actually fight the radicals in the Middle East.”

Never happen,,,never. Because they agree with Phelps that our troops are monsters and God hates them. Why would they join something that they believe God hates.

[Polybius]

You assume much if you think I’m Catholic just because I happen to be of Cajun heritage. I’m not Catholic, never have been and the majority of my ancestors ....

You seem to be extremely touchy about sectarian religion differences. It seems as if you go out of your way to pick religious fights. A simple, "Well, actually, I am not Catholic" would have sufficed.

Sorry about that. Change the analogy accordingly.

"If a Jewish veterans group started burning New Testaments to protest the nutjobs of the Westboro Baptist Church insulting the families at the funerals of U.S. soldiers, would you, as a Protestant, not be insulted by the misguided burning of the New Testament?"

There. Fixed it.

In regards to "illiterates", Calvin was no illiterate. It was the "learned" who could write just as easily in Latin as in the native language who spawn to religious fanaticism of the 16th Century just like , right now, you seem to think that all 1 Billion plus Muslims in the world are exactly alike.

As has been pointed out time and again, Islam is not just a religion but a total system of governing.

As I pointed out, repeatedly, you have just described "Islamism".

All Islamists are Muslims. Only a minority of Muslims are Islamists.

The Old Testament was also a recipe for a "total system of governing" to the point that the Old Testament advocated genocide against some nonbelievers.

Today, only religious nutjobs, such as the ones you are defending now, hold to such beliefs.

Most modern Muslims do NOT hold to such belief for the very simple reason that they do not want the Religious Police controlling every detail of their lives.

One of the issues is the move of stifling free speech.

If it were a matter of "stifiling free speech", the pastor would be in a U.S. Government jail right now.

The pastor is not being told that CANNOT do it. The pastor is being told that he is stupidly putting American troops in added danger by doing it.

The fact of the matter is that, as the title of this thread states, this religious nutjob pastor is cut from the same cloth as Fred Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church.

"In Support of Westboro Baptist [Dr. Terry Jones "burn a Koran" supports Fred Phelps]"

This guy WANTS to put U.S. troops in increased danger and he wants more of them to die because of his sick beliefs.

Go to the start of the thread and see the girl trampling on the American flag. Look up the news stories about how these maggots go to funerals of U.S. soldiers to taunt the families that they deceased loved one is burning in Hell for having served in the U.S. military.

If the moderates wish to change things they will have to do more than they are doing now.

We are talking about effects in Afghanistan and in Iraq.

You do not feel that these Iraqi "moderates" are doing enough? Risking their lives to fight against the Islamist nutjobs is not good enough for you? You feel a need to insult them to, right along with the Islamist fanatics?

[christianhomeschoolmommaof3]

Well done!

[mnehring]

Very good information. I’ve been digging around this all afternoon and I have a suspicion the Dove people are also Tachmonites or something similar. Some of their ‘devotionals’ actually read a lot like the Branch Dividians.

[MS.BEHAVIN]

I am honored to do it, and thank you so very much for your kind words!

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[Polybius]

Well done!

Thanks.

It seems that Sarah Palin has also weighed in on the matter.

Palin: Koran burning is 'unnecessary provocation'

"People have a constitutional right to burn a Koran if they want to, but doing so is insensitive and an unnecessary provocation -- much like building a mosque at Ground Zero," said the former Alaska governor.

[Immerito]

Yep. Agreed.

[Immerito]

Thanks for that article.

[Immerito]

“I would be interested if anyone can verify the allegations made by conservative radio hosts that these guys were on a previous Bible burning agenda.”

Which conservative radio hosts?

I think that the best course of action would be to contact the conservative radio hosts and inquire about their sources.