Posted on 09/19/2010 8:23:52 AM PDT by wgflyer
The tradition Democrats will see it our way. But this must be a reform party to really change things—not just give lip service. Kick out the lobbyists and special interests! Toss them in prison as they bridests they are.
“Let the RINOs form their own “moderate” third party, or go join the Democrats where they belong.”
The RINOS are like the loyalists, playing both sides of the fence while licking the boots of King George.
They are loyal only to their masters.
No there were not. They took over the Whig party. They were never a third party.
Did you learn nothing from 1992 and 1996?
Nice emotion base slogans. Slogans are not facts. Try living in the world of facts, not emotion.
So you too learned nothing from the 1992 and 1996 elections.
You are the best allies 0 could hope for.
I knew you did. I was just restating it in another manner for emphasis, the way we were taught in expository writing class.
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You’re slipping, MNJohnnie. It ain’t the “team” we’re cheering, it’s the Constitution. To the extent that the “team” supports it, we support the “team.” To the extent that they do not, neither do we. This applies to both Republicans and Democrats, as well as to any successful successor to either one, should any arise. Enough is enough.
I'm glad you got over that little brain-bump.
The GOP establishment really love for conservatives to leave the party and go start yet another "third" party. There are already over fifty "third" parties, and none of them have accomplished diddley-squat, or ever will.
When people resign the Republican Party, they eliminate themselves from primary voting in many states. They eliminate themselves from party decisions at the precinct, county, state, and national levels.
Then they are stuck with a choice of
1) a RINO chosen by the party RINOs, who are mostly former Democrats,
2) the Democrat candidate, selected by the communist wing of the Democrat party,
3) or one of the "third" party candidates, none of whom can consistently get more than 2% of the vote anywhere.
There is the rub.
We have to stay grass roots, but that hinders organization.
The tea party has been tremendously successful in all its rabble and tenacity.
I have been critical of Sarah Palin in the past but I love this woman’s spirit, and she has struck a chord with the American people with her “I WILL NOT BACK DOWN ATTITUDE”
Wise words. Well said.
Lemme see...
Nope, I don’t have an ice cream so i must not be obama LoL.
I’m not sure being separate grass roots entities hinders organization so much these days. The internet and talk radio are links enough to bind the various local entities to a clear and common purpose. They don’t need a national hierarchy so long as they passionately believe as they do. And if they lose that passion, organization won’t help.
the I WILL NOT BACK DOWN ATTITUDE is all they need. Bless them.
That was the point I was addressing. I am not asking you to "cheer for the team" but to not commit political suicide the way too many reform movements have in US history. The way forward is to avoid factionzalise the movement into it's own "team".
Thanks.
“expository writing class”
Cool.
There is a lot more in that article than simply the thoughts of a third party, although that seems to be the only detail you managed to absorb.
Fact is, the THREAT of a third party is a necessary tool to help bring the GOP "moderates" and RINO's in line. Like you, I don't personally believe it can be done but the GOP will change or they'll never again have a majority after this round. Like hundreds of thousands of other Americans, I will never again vote for the lesser of two evils and I will never vote for a man like John McCain, Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee or dozens of other "compromisers" who've been so prevalent in the GOP of late.
So the fact is, the GOP can either adopt the principles of sound government or be relegated to continual second class (third party?). I can foresee a time with the Republican Party actually IS the third party of they don't get on board. And yes, I learned a lot from 1992 and 1994 (and 1980, 1988, 1990, and 2008)
Don't run another RINO unless you want to see your voters bolt. That's the fact of the matter.
And don't assume you're the only one on here with half a brain. It's rather unbecoming.
Factionaling the movement into just another one of the "teams" to cheer for would be utterly suicidal politically. That is the lesson of third party movements in US history. It does nothing but split the reform movement into competing factions and ensure the dominance of their political foes. Those who fail to learn the lessons of history and doomed to repeat them to paraphrase Santana.
I’m sorry that line got you so fired up, but if you read down further you might find that I was supporting a tea party commandeering of the GOP, not a 3rd party, which was the wider thought of the article. I think most in this thread agree with you that 3rd parties aren’t really the answer.
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