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Calif. wants third of its power renewable by 2020
AP via SFGate ^
| 9/23/10
| JASON DEAREN, Associated Press Writer
Posted on 09/23/2010 6:12:02 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: Steely Tom
If they are, I would expect a boom in conversion accessories to let you power your house using your car/truck electrical system.
I know in the 1950's and 1960's, many amateur radio operators and others added an extra alternator to their cars that will provide 120 volts A/C so they can run their ham radios. I have a Fall/Winter 1969 Montgomery Wards catalog that had one for sale that provided 3500 watts 120 volts A/C. I've also seen "dynamotors" where a motor converts 12 or 24 volts D/C into 120 or 240 volts D/C and them convert that to 60 cycle A/C. Other dynamotors only provided what the appliance required, usually the various voltages a radio needs for its vacuum tubes. Dynamotors used one set of windings for the 12/24 VDC input and the other winding put out the higher voltages needed. I saw a jeep from the Korean War with such a setup. getting back to the alternator, you just idled your 1950's/1960's era car and you get your electricity. Even some new cars do have inverters, the Pontiac Vibe/Toyota Matrix has one, 115 volts A/C at sometime like 70 or 100 watts, I'll have to look at the one we have at work. It's good for plugging in laptops and "wardriving" for free Wi-Fi spots. B-)
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posted on
09/23/2010 10:26:22 PM PDT
by
Nowhere Man
(General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
To: SmithL
No Budget, a 20 Billion Dollar Deficit and the chance that Moonbeam Brown might be elected Governor and now we have to worry about a made up number to make Liberals think we are saving the World.
I love California, but most people living here are either nuts, illegal, or both.
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posted on
09/23/2010 10:31:37 PM PDT
by
Kickass Conservative
(My Rights are God given, not Obama approved...)
To: Clintonfatigued
How will they develop geothermal energy if they won’t let them drill anywhere.
To: SmithL
It’s doable. They can just keep closing power plants until solar and wind represent a third of what’s left. About enough to light up downtown Lodi a couple of hours each night.
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posted on
09/24/2010 12:26:57 AM PDT
by
saganite
(What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
To: Willie Green
Maybe they should build railroads?
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posted on
09/24/2010 12:58:06 AM PDT
by
Jeff Chandler
(Judas Iscariot - the first social justice advocate. John 12:3-6)
To: gonzo
"I lost the schematics for turning a cars' alternator into 110 Volts."
Go to your auto parts store. They sell cigarette lighter adapters for that. I have one I use all the time on the road.
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posted on
09/24/2010 2:24:21 AM PDT
by
Dem Guard
(Obama's 57 States = The Organization of The Islamic Conference (OIC).)
To: Nowhere Man
If they had 3500 watt aftermarker alternators back in 1969, they probably have 10 kW alternators (or more) today of the same size. Electrical machinery has gotten a lot smaller per unit output then it was then, although the shrink ratio isn't as much as for chips (if it had kept up with the shrinkage of circuitry, you'd be able to hold a 10 megawatt alternator in one hand; finding a 15,000 horsepower prime mover to hook it to might be a bit of a chore).
Dynamotors are old technology. Really old, we're talking WWII and before here. I've been told that they are quite inefficient, like 65% net. They're also quite heavy.
I use a little solid-state inverter I got at BJ's to power stuff in the car; it converts 250 watts and cost $29.95 two or three years ago. Plastic case. Weighs maybe a pound and a half. I've used it to power my computer for hours with the engine off; the battery seems to handle it fine. That's about the most you can draw from the cigarette lighter, at least in my car. If you need more than that, you need to do the kind of mods you were talking about.
Compared to the solutions that were available when I was a ham, 40 years ago, it's miraculous. Tiny, cheap, light, quiet, and efficient. Doesn't get hot. Doesn't buzz or hum.
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posted on
09/24/2010 3:47:34 AM PDT
by
Steely Tom
(Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
To: Steely Tom
I would expect anyone with a brain to get the hell out of there.
To: SmithL
Is that the 1/3 of power they vampire from their neighbors?
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posted on
09/24/2010 4:34:10 AM PDT
by
Kozak
(USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
To: screaminsunshine
.....I would expect anyone with a brain to get the hell out of there.....
When there is exodus, the need for power by those gone will diminish. Thus goes the thinking, the green effort for renewable power is self feeding when it coerces people to leave. Less people, less need for green power
Then there is “nature abhors a vacuum. The vacuum of the exdous will suck Mexicans to use more power than the green efforts cam produce. The state will resume failure mode
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posted on
09/24/2010 4:45:48 AM PDT
by
bert
(K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Greetings Jacques. The revolution is coming)
To: bert
It needs to collapse and start over. California is beyond redemption.
To: Almondjoy
Dad says, "Oil is produced deep within the planets mantle and forced back into the pockets from which we drilled from."
Dear ol'Dad is one smart boy!
"Every well is renewable if you wait for it ti refill, it's a pressure thang."
Even the green meanies understand this now.
They won't admit it 'till they can spin it their way though.
Port of like Evil Al's plan now to keep pushing the carbone'head scam with the plan to say "See we saved the erf'" when nothing happens (i.e. no globalls warming).
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posted on
09/24/2010 7:18:12 AM PDT
by
yesca
(..belief is the enemy)
To: CarWashMan
California wants rolling blackouts by 2020.”
Rolling blackouts triggered the recall of Gray Davis.
To: Lancey Howard
Will the last civilized human being leaving California please turn out the light?)’
That leaves out all the illegal intruders.......
To: Steely Tom
If they had 3500 watt aftermarker alternators back in 1969, they probably have 10 kW alternators (or more) today of the same size. Electrical machinery has gotten a lot smaller per unit output then it was then, although the shrink ratio isn't as much as for chips (if it had kept up with the shrinkage of circuitry, you'd be able to hold a 10 megawatt alternator in one hand; finding a 15,000 horsepower prime mover to hook it to might be a bit of a chore).
I don't know. I know you bolted it on your engine and had an extra pulley and belt to drive it. Dunno if they had any 10kW ones now or in 1969. I might have a scan of it somewhere. I also have a picture of an alternator like that from 1959 in an old radio book.
Dynamotors are old technology. Really old, we're talking WWII and before here. I've been told that they are quite inefficient, like 65% net. They're also quite heavy.
I remember seeing them used for radios. I remember a John Wayne movies where Wayne and his Air Force crew were down in Northern Canada, their DC-3 (C-47) crashed and they still managed to keep their radio running for a while and when they had to transmit, they had to kick the dynamotor on. Their battery eventually died and they had to use the handcrank emergency generator. They also had a problem with an AM station from Montreal interfering with their radio compasses. Eventually Ed Nolan and Slim Pickens did find them as they used their DC-3's (C-47's) to search for them.
I use a little solid-state inverter I got at BJ's to power stuff in the car; it converts 250 watts and cost $29.95 two or three years ago. Plastic case. Weighs maybe a pound and a half. I've used it to power my computer for hours with the engine off; the battery seems to handle it fine. That's about the most you can draw from the cigarette lighter, at least in my car. If you need more than that, you need to do the kind of mods you were talking about.
I work as a delivery driver for an auto parts store. We have those inverters, 75 watts, 400 watts and 700 watts I think. I'd like to get the little one, would make a good source of laptop power. B-)
Compared to the solutions that were available when I was a ham, 40 years ago, it's miraculous. Tiny, cheap, light, quiet, and efficient. Doesn't get hot. Doesn't buzz or hum.
I know, I do admit there is charm in the old stuff, but I do like the compactness of the newer stuff.
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posted on
09/24/2010 7:58:19 PM PDT
by
Nowhere Man
(General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
To: yesca
I knew as soon as I completed that post that I might have a Waterboy type moment. :)
To: SkyDancer
Again you are right but the part about hydroelectric is that the sun’s energy causes it to rain which comes down on the mountains and then back down the rivers and over the dams... you get the point.
Rain is Mother Earths Natural solar panels. It converts solar energy into other things that can become of use. For the purpose of this discussion.. Hydroelectric power.
To: Eldon Tyrell
I wish I did. I was just watching a program on Discovery Channel which in spite of having other information could have painted a very rosy picture.
To: Almondjoy
MM, K, seems logical - but it’s just water over the dam ...LOL
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posted on
09/25/2010 4:11:43 PM PDT
by
SkyDancer
("Give Kids An Education, Take Them Out Of Government Schools" - and I'm still Molly Norris")
To: Dog Gone
Mandating unicorns is not the same as creating them....
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posted on
07/07/2019 9:19:57 PM PDT
by
GOPJ
(Democrat: "a party that makes. Americans feel like strangers in their own country. NYT)
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