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Alaska's Murkowski failed bar exam 4 times
Kansas City.com ^ | 10/1/2010 | Erika Bolstad

Posted on 10/01/2010 10:40:08 PM PDT by Qbert

It took Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, five attempts to pass the Alaska Bar Exam, a piece of her biography that has gone unreported until now, when she faces a long-shot write-in bid for another term in her Senate seat.

Murkowski, who graduated in 1985 from Willamette University's College of Law in Oregon, wasn't admitted to the Alaska Bar until November 1987.

She flunked the exam in July 1985, February 1986, July 1986 and again in February 1987. She passed on her fifth try in July 1987. Murkowski said that although her failures on the exam aren't something she talks about regularly, she's never hidden them. It's an example of how she "stayed in there," Murkowski said, "and I did not quit."

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Miller - the other lawyer in the race - is a 1995 graduate of Yale's law school. He took the Alaska Bar Exam once, passing it in July 1995. He was admitted to practice law in Alaska in November 1995. Generally, about two-thirds of people taking the exam passed it in the years Murkowski failed it. In July 1985 and February 1986, 69 percent passed; 62 percent passed in July 1986, and 74 percent in February 1987.

The year she passed it, 63 percent of exam-takers aced it.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Alaska
KEYWORDS: ak; alaska; joemiller; lisamurkowski; murkowski
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To: Qbert

She is a goof ball for sure, but to make fun of someone for taking a test multiple times just seems like a liberal thing to do. Remember when they tried to say Sarah was stupid for taking seven years to finish a four year degree. Everyone stuck up for her. I think there is plenty of things to “find dirt” on Murkowski, but taking the bar five times should not be one of them. I understand that exam is every difficult.


21 posted on 10/02/2010 1:32:57 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Qbert

Why are we even having wasting to waste our time with the likes of Lisa Mircowsky, Charlie Crisp and Karl Rove?
What a huge distraction this all has been. This is what RINOs do.
They attack real Republicans, and make us spend our time and money fighting back, meanwhile the Democrats slip by unscathed.
McCain and his daughter are still out attacking GOP candidates.
The whole lot of them are a disgrace.


22 posted on 10/02/2010 2:25:41 AM PDT by counterpunch (End the Government Monopoly!)
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To: napscoordinator

You don’t seriously think those two things are equivalent do you? LOL


23 posted on 10/02/2010 2:28:00 AM PDT by TigersEye (Defend liberty. Destroy socialism.)
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To: Libloather

bam bam failed the bar exam and never got a license?

who knew?

having taken and passed, I can only say that it is a horrible experience and that a lot of people quit after the 1st try. I personally believe that if Murkowski took it that many times until she passed, it is a plus and a false criticism. Most lawyers would probably not be opposed to me speaking for them and venturing to say they would agree.


24 posted on 10/02/2010 2:37:42 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys)
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To: Qbert

25 posted on 10/02/2010 3:14:24 AM PDT by mainsail that ('Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes')
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To: TigersEye
"You don?t seriously think those two things are equivalent do you? LOL"

es. If roughly 2/3rds of the candidates passed the test each time she took it, and it took her five times to pass, in what percentage of the population does that place her?

26 posted on 10/02/2010 3:16:18 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Truth29
I don't know but there is no reasonable comparison with taking seven years to complete a four year degree. One is flunking the same test four times the other is taking longer than the minimum to complete a given task.

There are numerous reasons other than failure for that. For thousands of college students it is taking time to make some money that stretches the full course time out.

27 posted on 10/02/2010 3:24:07 AM PDT by TigersEye (Defend liberty. Destroy socialism.)
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To: Qbert
One bar exam? In Ontario, I had to pass eight exams in four months to get called to the Bar.
28 posted on 10/02/2010 3:29:40 AM PDT by Loyalist
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To: Qbert

The anti Miller ads are out in force here in Alaska, and they all have one thing in common, they are spelling out Murkies name so people will remember how to spell it.

She will lose, she will lose like a flaming piece of alien space poo coming in from extreme high orbital speeds.

All I can say is this, the liberal refuge cities such as Anchorage deserve her, they are not the REAL Alaska, just because they all live in this little hive in the city limits doesn’t mean they represent the rest of Alaska.

We wish you all the power in your efforts to get your seat back Lisa, you make excellent bar room talk and it joins conservative comrades wherever we go. We see you, we hear you but we don’t believe you.


29 posted on 10/02/2010 3:36:45 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (If your enemy is quick to anger, seek to irritate him. Sun Tzu, The Art of War.)
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To: yldstrk

“having taken and passed, I can only say that it is a horrible experience and that a lot of people quit after the 1st try. I personally believe that if Murkowski took it that many times until she passed, it is a plus and a false criticism. Most lawyers would probably not be opposed to me speaking for them and venturing to say they would agree.”

First, congratulations on passing. The exam varies from state and state and pass/fail rates vary also. When I took it (and passed), it was a three-day ordeal. The first day was pure multiple choice questions and was standard throughout the nation. The second and third days involved essay questions analyzing hypothetical situations and this is where each state exam varies. If memory serves, if you passed the multiple-choice questions but failed in the essay questions, you could retake the exam only for the essay questions.

Do I give a pass for four fails before the fifth success? No. One failure is understandable. Some idiots think they can goof off the couple of months between graduation from law school and the exam and skate by on their recollection of classes. It is stupid but not really an indication of competence. If they fail, they sign up for the intensive bar review course which specifically prepares you for the exam.

Failing a second time may or may not be a signal of competence. Only the multiple-choice questions really test “book learning”. The essay questions test whether you are competent to understand and logically analyze how the law applies to real world situations. Sometimes you can just flub up and totally whiff on the real issues involved by analyzing what is really a side issue instead of the main one the examiners are judging. Then, too, like competitors in the Olympics, a bad cold or some other upset can obscure your competence.

But failing four times isn’t a sign of persistence so much as a sign you really don’t have the aptitude for legal analysis and you either got serious and developed it before the fifth time, or you lucked out on questions and a sympathetic exam grader. (BTW, if memory serves, JFK Jr took only three times to pass the New York Bar.)


30 posted on 10/02/2010 3:44:48 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: caseinpoint

I believe Hillary & Michelle also flunked the bar the first time.


31 posted on 10/02/2010 3:52:05 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Qbert

This is America.
Family connections are far more important than talent and merit.


32 posted on 10/02/2010 3:55:10 AM PDT by devere
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To: napscoordinator

The exam is difficult but not fail five times difficult.

She evidently took the same bar review prep course as JFK, Jr. did.


33 posted on 10/02/2010 4:05:25 AM PDT by Canedawg (...still not digging this tyranny thing.)
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To: anniegetyourgun

Flunking once is common, more a sign of hubris or laziness than incompetence. Flunking twice can be explained by bad luck. Flunking four times is a warning. The pass/failure rate for Alaska’s exam (and the essay questions change year to year by the way) indicates it is no big deal to pass.


34 posted on 10/02/2010 4:12:48 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: Libloather

Perfect cabinet member for zero’s administration. Failure


35 posted on 10/02/2010 4:27:38 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (The tides coming in)
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To: Qbert

I had to take the National Board Exam, the Clinical Competency Test, The Federal License Board Exam, The Mississippi State Board Exam, the Tennessee Board Exam, after I took my finals from the final semester in veterinary school. These tests were all in a period of one month. All these tests were for a license to practice veterinary medicine so if I were to make an error, a lawyer that failed taking their board exam several times could sue me for everything I own.


36 posted on 10/02/2010 4:52:35 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: Qbert; All
Our Paradigm is wrong people, and a waste of time.

We should care less about attorneys and more about CPA's.

I hear that exam is worse than the Bar.

Ergo the desire to destroy Mr. Hoffman in NY-23 and Michelle Bachmann. They are both CPA's.

We need more people in Washington that understand the finality of the Accounting Equation we are broke as nation, not the mental reprogramming and lack of moral focus that occurs in law school.

37 posted on 10/02/2010 4:53:27 AM PDT by taildragger ((Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: Qbert

Wow, three strikes and you’re out here...


38 posted on 10/02/2010 5:06:17 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (/)
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To: caseinpoint
"But failing four times isn’t a sign of persistence so much as a sign you really don’t have the aptitude for legal analysis"

Exactly.

39 posted on 10/02/2010 5:09:40 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (/)
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To: napscoordinator
"She said that each time she took the test, she had trouble in particular with the standardized, multiple-choice portion of the exam. After her fourth failure, she and a friend who also struggled with it went to Portland, Ore., to take a preparatory course. During the course, they learned strategies for successfully tackling the standardized portion. Murkowski returned to Alaska and passed the bar exam. She was so impressed with the company that offered the prep course, PMBR, that for several years afterward she was its representative in Alaska."

Sounds like she finally passed because she learned some test-taking strategies, not because she learned more about the law. I'll give her points for persistence (obviously, since she's currently engaged in a Quixotesque write-in campaign). This is hardly evidence that she might be a better Senator than the Republican candidate who is a Yale Law School graduate and was awarded a Bronze Star.

40 posted on 10/02/2010 5:25:06 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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