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To: MrB

“The thing about ‘libertarianism’ is that it would be completely workable if the individual had INTERNAL behavioral controls, which would preclude the need for ‘societal’ controls on behavior.”

Libertarianism is a political ideology which, while it may engender concomitant social attitudes, does not speak to all the external behavioral controls that might reform recalcitrant individuals. Libertarians can just as easily be a J.S. Mill or a Max Stirner politically and a Fitzjames Stephens socially.

What a comment on the ubiquity of the state, that apparently the only institution you can imagine capable of inhibiting those lacking internal controls is government. As if the family, friends, neighbors, the church, clubs, fraternal organizations, work, heck, even internet forums, don’t exist. All sorts of institutions between the state and the individual—all of them subtler and potentially more effective—are available.


32 posted on 10/18/2010 9:45:51 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

hmmm.. I DID say “societal” controls, not specifically government.

Indeed, a community can “impose” its standards of behavior on individuals without any form of government (force) involved.

Shunning was/is an effective practice.


36 posted on 10/18/2010 9:51:08 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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