Posted on 10/28/2010 5:14:35 PM PDT by Beaten Valve
I guess he tried to shoot it and it wouldnt go off. Not the first gun to fail to eject. Maybe he was scared to drop a cleaning rod down the barrel. Who knows. The only witness is 6 feet under.
Well, I love my M700 rifles, but the Savage is the best out of the box rile for the money these days.
Whatever happened to “don’t point it at anything you don’t want shot?”
Spontaneous firing or not, most accidents can be prevented.
As a gunsmith perhaps you could speak to that.
To get the thread started, I will tell you that when I first got my 700, sometime in the 1960’s, I ignored the instructions and put some sort of graphite oil combination on the bolt.
Cold weather came along and I had several hangs where the trigger was pulled and the gun did not fire. All with Remington out of the box cartridges.
That is a very awkward tense deal. You are holding a gun that you know is going to fire but you have no idea when. Only option is to point it at the ground and wait.
So I cleaned it up and it has never malfunctioned to this day.
I suspect that most of the incidents are dirty guns or guns to which improper lubricants have been applied.
The idiot who shot himself would more than likely to have not properly cared for his gun. If he didn't know better than to allow a hang to point at himself or anyone or anything else other than the ground, he certainly would not have known how to maintain it.
My understanding is that most long guns used by police departments do not have a specific person assigned to the care and maintenance of that gun.
So when needed, someone just grabs them off the rack.
Of course that will vary from department to department.
Out of the box averages go to the Win Model 70.
And the USMC has had problems with the firing pin dropping just like civilian shooters.
No, they have not.
if this poll is even close to accurate, I’d say there’s a problem. Not exactly a gun-grabber website. http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=fa77f43306f2d308b948bef9aeb70871&t=427771
It is a legit issue, and has been for years.
For those who want to get their dander up, please at least first read the patent for the original “Walker Fire Control System”, which I’ll reference here:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/2514981.pdf
The problems usually come as a result of the sear/trigger engagement being set for too little engagement, or some dirt has worked its way between the trigger and connector. With the safety on, the trigger (or, possibly only the connector) comes out from under the sear. You pull off the safety, which in the original design held back the sear against the cocking piece, the sear drops (because it has a negative angle, so the cocking piece can push it down unless it is supported by the connector) and the rifle fires.
People who don’t know what they’re doing set these trigger mechanisms for too little sear engagement with a very light spring and they get into trouble. If they want a lighter trigger, they should buy an aftermarket trigger designed to be set to trigger pulls lighter than about 3lbs. The factory spring needs to be replaced or trimmed if the trigger is to be set lighter than about 3 to 3.5 lbs - if the spring isn’t, and someone merely keeps backing out the screw on the factory spring, a malfunction might happen.
Remington lost a liability case in Texas sometime back in the 90’s to a guy who literally blew his foot off with a 700. After that, Remington has settled all cases rather defend them in court - and they’ve quietly paid out quite a bit in settlements to stay out of court.
Personally, these sorts of problems are why I like my Anschuetz trigger over a single-stage trigger.
Uh, yea, they have.
The lawyers FOIA’ed the USMC and the USMC disgorged documents showing that when the triggers are set to light weights, they can discharge on closing or on release of the safety.
http://www.drinnonlaw.com/pdf/CNBC.FOIA%20Response%20from%20United%20States%20Marine%20Corps.pdf
And just for grins, I went noodling around a bit more and came upon the same issue reported by Rangers:
Thanks for the links. They basically describe a relatively miniscule number of malfunctions. I know a hog I can ask about this issue tomorrow. I’ll let you know what he says.
FRegards,
LH
Beaten Valve...from your posting...
“The Portland, Oregon Police Department...”
Do you stand by that statement?
In your published link, it states otherwise...
“The Portland, Maine Police Department...”
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/cnbc-documentary-
inspires-portland-pd-to-drop-remington-700-rifles_b37362
Might this be the time that you revise and extend your remarks...with emphasis on “revise” ;o)
I can understand the discrepancy...it’s the same ole, same ole.
However...WHY the discrepancy between Portland, Oregon, and Portland, Maine?
I’ll await your answer...
He must have had some good legroom in that rear seat.
A known issue for some time.
My uncle told me about Rem triggers when he was training us in the 80’s.
I am not painting all reloaders with a broad brush. Slam fires do occur, although they are extremely rare. My estimate is maybe 10 over 60 years. That is not a common problem.
Primer position is a point that I take special care to investigate for each round. I look at the base of the each cartridge critically and feel the base for any problems.
Sorry if I offended all our reloaders. It was not intended to paint reloaders as being technically challenged.
I have a double set, double throw target trigger on one of my rifles and I love it. The main trigger is set for 5 lbs., but when the second trigger is set the main trigger pulls at about .4 lbs., possibley less.
I would love to put that trigger on all my rifles.
I personally have owned at least one Remington 700 since I was 16 years old,I am now 51. Myself,my family members,and my friends all own currently,or have owned a Remington 700.
I started hunting when I was 10 years old,and the first rifle I used was a 700. In that 41 year time span I have never,not once seen a remington 700 misfire as the CNBC story claimed. The CNBC story never asked the most important question-were the triggers on the guns modifiied? Adjusted by someone other than a qualified gunsmith?
Were the guns properly maintained?
They left out the FACT that not one of the things the 700 supposedly did could be duplicated by the attorneys,or their “experts”
Here is the true story,and the facts from Remington....
http://www.remington700.tv/#/home
CNBC is an anti-gun network anyhow-in the past they,along with MSNBC have shown a Browning .50 caliber belt fed machine gun,and called it a “rifle” leading people who know nothing about guns,or gun laws to believe that anyone can just walk into a gun shop,and walk out with a machine gun.
Don’t believe everything you see or hear in the media.
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