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To: MizSterious

https://www.sos.ok.gov/documents/questions/755.pdf

First off, the ban against the use of international law wouldn’t cover religious law. International law is the formal creation of states and treaties, not religious groups.

Now after the proposal singles out Sharia law in particular, the next sentence states “The courts shall not look to the legal precepts of other nations or cultures.” For nations, that’s straightforward enough.

But if that’s meant to encompass other religious law besides Sharia, then at the very least you’ve got a serious problem with vagueness. What qualifies as “other” cultures? Is Jewish or Old Testament law “other”? Is papal law? (For that matter, Roman law? English common law? Native American tribal law? That last one could be a big problem for courts in Oklahoma, in judging Indian disputes.)

And if not all religions are deemed “other,” then the consequence of that is that Oklahoma has created a law that respects a particular establishment of religion. Namely, whatever establishment they have not formally deemed to be an “other” religion.


170 posted on 11/08/2010 4:00:12 PM PST by LorenC
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To: LorenC
International law is the formal creation of states and treaties, not religious groups.

Yea. But, Islam is a theocracy. All laws within a nation of Islam is based first, on Islamic law. IOWs, Islam is the supreme law of the land, first and foremost. Since there are numerous Islamic nations, with laws based first and foremost on Islamic law, these are Islamic states and nations. As such, they are both.

In order to defend ourselves against Islamic law in America, we may be forced to pull a Pelosi. "“…We will go through the gate. If the gate is closed, we will go over the fence. If the fence is too high, we will pole vault in. If that doesn’t work, we will parachute in.”

Whatever it takes, any recognition of Sharia law in our courts must be prevented. We don't stone women for adultery, we don't make women wear burkas and veils, we don't behead folks for violations of our laws, we don't chop off the fingers of thieves. You know the score.

Finally, the last time I checked, the Romans, nor the Jews, nor the Native Indians, nor the English, were seeking to destroy the USA. Islam is. And I don't mean just the extremists. I mean all of Islam. Anyone in denial of this reality needs to remove their blindfolds.

Singling out, and preventing any semblance of Sharia law In America may need to overcome some legalese loops, but it must be done.

174 posted on 11/08/2010 4:35:43 PM PST by takenoprisoner (Repeal the 16th amendment . Send Islam packing to their homeland.)
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To: LorenC

In fact, on tonight’s local news (OKC), it seems some groups are saying that they’d like to ban any laws that have a basis in Christianity, as well. Since so many of our laws are rooted in Christianity, I can only imagine a state and/or country in complete anarchy. Everything from theft to murder would have to be allowed—10 Commandments, y’know.


183 posted on 11/08/2010 5:59:31 PM PST by MizSterious ("Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -JFK)
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To: LorenC

The establishment of a religion by any individual STATE is most definitely NOT hampered in any way by the U.S Constitution.

In fact, many of the several states had established religions well before the formation of the USA, and there were no problems with that. In fact, there were such strictures on representatives; in certain states representatives could NOT be Catholic, right up intil the early 20th century.

The First Amendment reads, and pay VERY close attention to the first word:

CONGRESS shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; orthe right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for redress of grievances.

Nowhere in there does it say that any INDIVIDUAL state can’t alter its laws to prohibit certain religious practices, or even an entire sect.


199 posted on 11/08/2010 11:59:15 PM PST by Don W (I keep some folks' numbers in my 'phone just so I know NOT to answer when they call...)
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