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Deutsche Bank: There's A Massive Credit Spigot About To Superpower The U.S. Economy
The Business Insider ^ | 11-11-2010 | Gregory White

Posted on 11/11/2010 10:33:55 AM PST by blam

Deutsche Bank: There's A Massive Credit Spigot About To Superpower The U.S. Economy

Gregory White
Nov. 11, 2010, 11:57 AM

The U.S. is on the brink of a massive credit explosion, brought on by quantitative easing and a willingness for banks to lend, according to Deutsche Bank.

This bullish call on the U.S. consumer and broader U.S. economy stems from a series of charts that point to new spending for those in the U.S. and a new willingness for banks to lend.

This goes in opposition to the data released by the New York Fed this week that suggested consumer demand for credit was collapsing because individuals were choosing to deleverage, rather than spend.

But Deutsche Bank begs to differ. The say, "The Credit Crunch Is Over" and now the demand for loans is about to kick off.

Click here for the charts >

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: credit; economy; recession; spending
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To: Siena Dreaming
As far as the deficit panel, I see a recommendation there to lower corporate taxes. I don't see that as a negative for the unemployment situation.
Apparently you missed the part of the report that called for counting capital gains as part of your personal income which effectively raises the tax from 15% to as high as 28%, thereby increasing the cost of capital, thereby undermining capital formation which is the basis of new jobs. Oh, yeah, and then there's the US$1tn in new taxes that the panel calls for only they call it "spending within the tax code" for some reason. http://www.atr.org/obama-debt-commission-calls-forbr-trillion-a5647
21 posted on 11/11/2010 11:01:01 AM PST by casuist (Audi alteram partem.)
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To: casuist

“I’ll say. And I only use crystal-meth socially. I’ve got it completely under control.”

LOL. I prefer credit-crack. It’s much safer.


22 posted on 11/11/2010 11:01:24 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: blam

This is nonsense. There’s no shortage of money to lend, simply a shortage of those willing to lend it and those willing to borrow it.

Only a fool would be willing to take risks with Marxists in charge of the economy. That’s all that’s going on. Everyone is just sitting tight, trying to hold on to what they have and trying to keep it from being stolen and “redistributed”.

That’s what the “loss of confidence” is all about: trying to keep one’s hard earned cash from being stolen by the Obammunists. Trying to avoid an environment in which the Obammunists govern by fiat, change the rules and regulations daily, change taxation policy daily, heap job-killing burden after job-killing burden on the productive, steal bondholder’s rights on a whim, bailout failing union-dominated businesses, eschew the rule of law, ignore the Constitution, etc., etc.

Nothing is going to change and nothing is going to get better until the Marxists are run out of government lock stock and barrel. That can’t happen for another two years, and if it doesn’t happen then, why all you need to do is read Ayn Rand’s “Atlas Shrugged” to find out what’s going to happen.


23 posted on 11/11/2010 11:02:15 AM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from The Right Stuff!)
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To: catnipman

Well said.


24 posted on 11/11/2010 11:06:26 AM PST by agere_contra (...what if we won't eat the dog food?)
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To: blam

Well the banks are trying to lend, I’m getting monthly letters from BofA and CapitalOne offering me 0% money for a year or so on balance transfers and that’s new. Of course they want their initial 3 or 4% fee which still gives them a tidy profit on the 0% money they get from the FED.


25 posted on 11/11/2010 11:09:34 AM PST by Joe Miner
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To: blam

The money from the first two QEs was held back. Duh.

On another note, the hedge funds are starting to blow up, Phil Falcone’s multi-billion hedge, Harbinger.

The debt liquidation continues.

So let’s see if liquidity pumping can overcome debt liquidation.

It’s anybody’s horserace at this time.

If you have no debt and are sitting on cash, just pass the popcorn and watch.


26 posted on 11/11/2010 11:10:19 AM PST by OpusatFR
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To: casuist
These recommendations are not law.

A Repub-dominated House is not going to go for massive tax hikes.

This is what employers now are becoming aware of and, though still cautious, will begin to loosen their wallets especially if O folds on their tax cut extension. If he folds on such a high-profile promise, being willing to isolate his base, the feeling will become more prevalent that he will fold on other stuff as well. The word "triangulation" will be heard more and more.

27 posted on 11/11/2010 11:10:47 AM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: blam

Historically I believe, no country has managed to contain the genie of inflation once it is out of its lamp.

Asset prices, i.e. homes will rise in value but so will the price of gas, food and all our imported clothing and electronic goodies.

Reinflating like this is like chopping up the dining table and chairs and burning them on the living room floor to heat your house in a cold winter snap.

“the roof, the roof, the roof is on fire,
We don’t need no water, let the m-——f-—— burn”

-Esteemed musicologist and Fed consultant, the honorable George Clinton.


28 posted on 11/11/2010 11:14:53 AM PST by swarthyguy (KIDS! Deficit, Debt,Taxes! Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -America is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: OpusatFR

Popcorn, is great. :)


29 posted on 11/11/2010 11:16:59 AM PST by BenKenobi
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To: casuist

“I ain’t fallin’ for no banana in the tailpipe.”


30 posted on 11/11/2010 11:19:40 AM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: Siena Dreaming
This is what employers now are becoming aware of and, though still cautious, will begin to loosen their wallets especially if O folds on their tax cut extension. If he folds on such a high-profile promise, being willing to isolate his base, the feeling will become more prevalent that he will fold on other stuff as well. The word "triangulation" will be heard more and more.
Part of what you seem to assume is the myth of the US$2tn in idle cash in the hands of corporations that refuse to release it in the form of investment until stabler times--only that US$2tn Eldorado in hoarded cash is being used to fund deleveraging--those same allegedly flush corporations are really not so flush--they're mired in the same debt crisis as the rest of the economy, and when demand bottoms out, and you hold lots of debt, the most rational course of action is to hoard cash and try to weather the storm as best you can. In other words, that alleged US$2tn is not wealth waiting to be invested; it is the precise opposite, the material aftermath of a massive crash.

Also: Obama's wall st. reform and ObamaCare, and Obama's newly activist regulatory state (e.g. EPA that now counts CO2 as a pollutant) are already baked into the cake as capital-destroyers.

So, anyway, I hope you're right, but I think you're wrong. Too many factors argue against your position.
31 posted on 11/11/2010 11:23:17 AM PST by casuist (Audi alteram partem.)
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To: Siena Dreaming; All

Of course the banks are willing to lend. You mean you don’t think that the banks were withholding loans to slow business and rehiring down just to make the Dem’s look bad before the elections? Now that they have the election results they were looking for they will turn on the faucets.

Of course, they will also be looking for fewer restrictions, just like the fewer restrictions that got us into this mess in the first place and made them super rich. Tea Party people, watch them like a hawk!! Don’t let them pull this shxx on we the people!!!


32 posted on 11/11/2010 11:27:35 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: blam

I want summa what they’re smokin’!!!!!


33 posted on 11/11/2010 11:29:32 AM PST by mo
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To: blam

If we were domestic energy producers...and the cost of energy wasn’t inverse to the value of the dollar..they might have a point.

However...every time the dollar goes down...thereby increasing overseas demands for our exports, and potentially increasing employment at home, the cost of oil rises...kneecapping the benefit of a weak dollar.

Somebody at Deutchebank is either stupid...or really wants out of a long dollar position......


34 posted on 11/11/2010 11:32:34 AM PST by mo
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To: casuist
There are plenty of companies with far more cash than debt...the big tech companies for example. Also investment banks. And plenty of retail operations.

Historically there's no doubt that productive companies withhold expansion when a leftist regime is in power...that just makes sense.

When the bias goes the other way and more political power is tilted toward the pro-business faction, businesses hire.

As far as Obamacare goes, any de-fanging the Repubs are able to do (and they will because they now hold the purse strings) will encourage business even more. The EPA? Yes, there are threats aplenty. However, with the prospect of losing even more power in '12 we'll see how far the Dems actually go with that.

35 posted on 11/11/2010 11:35:05 AM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: swarthyguy

“....homes will rise in value....”

Because of inflation? Higher inflation will eventually mean higher interest rates. Higher interest rates are not good for sales or consumer demand for houses. Inflation will mean higher commodity prices and higher prices for imported products that are not traditionally financed by the consumer.


36 posted on 11/11/2010 11:37:15 AM PST by Bizhvywt
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To: blam

Lavorgna, On the risk of further dollar devaluation from QE2...
‘We calculated for every 1% movement of trade weighted dollar is a $3B tax hike to consumers. We don’t need a lower dollar here.’
Once bitten twice shy here. I cannot with any amount of certainity believe that I will have the profits in the future to pay any debt accrued today. Input costs are going UP. Can I pass those costs along to my customers and will there be any capital left over for growth?


37 posted on 11/11/2010 11:37:58 AM PST by griswold3 (Employment is off-shored, away from govt. regulations, price pressure groups, and liabilities.)
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To: gleeaikin
just like the fewer restrictions that got us into this mess in the first place

You mean you want Fannie/Freddie to be subject to more Cuomo-like edicts to rake in the subprimes? PLEASE!!

38 posted on 11/11/2010 11:39:40 AM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: Siena Dreaming
When the bias goes the other way and more political power is tilted toward the pro-business faction, businesses hire.
This is where we fundamentally disagree. I don't subscribe to the confidence or good-feelings theory of economic growth where investors and market actors act on their perceptions of, or feelings about, the political or social climate. Some probably do, but they don't last long as they tend to pass quickly into a richly deserved bankruptcy. People invest when they can expect a reasonable return on their investment--that's it, that's the only reason. Yes, Republicans won the house in November, but the Senate, the White House, and the entire administrative base of the federal government remain in the hands of the other party, and even if the Republicans now ruled everything, the structural issues occasioned by the crash, or that caused the crash itself, would stubbornly refuse to disappear by act of electoral fiat, and our fiscal crisis would remain every bit as acute, and the costs of addressing it every bit as expensive.

We have a long, long way to go.
39 posted on 11/11/2010 11:49:34 AM PST by casuist (Audi alteram partem.)
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To: blam
This is why I've got all my financial shorts hedged.

They will collapse, but possibly after having a fake money-fueled orgasm.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

40 posted on 11/11/2010 11:50:40 AM PST by The Comedian (Time and tide wait for no man. But who needs a bad magazine and cheap soap?)
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