Posted on 11/14/2010 5:27:33 PM PST by Dallas59
SAN DIEGO — John Tyner won't be pheasant hunting in South Dakota with his father-in-law any time soon.
Tyner was simultaneously thrown out of San Diego International Airport on Saturday morning for refusing to submit to a security check and threatened with a civil suit and $10,000 fine if he left.
And he got the whole thing on his cell phone. Well, the audio at least.
The 31-year-old Oceanside software programmer was supposed to leave from Lindbergh Field on Saturday morning and until a TSA agent directed him toward one of the recently installed full-body scanners, Tyner seemed to be on his way.
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How so?
>>Travel is a right. Flying, as a form of travel, is a right. Travel on a common carrier is even a MORE, not less, protected right.<<
There may be a right (assumed, the USC is silent on the word “travel” except for Congresspeople) to travel, but that does not extend to the manner of travel. Both the Legislative and Executive branches have a long list of USC sections under which they can apply rules and restrictions to things like air travel.
Or are you saying all travel should be unfettered and let the bodies fall where they may?
We need SOME safeguards — just not the ones the idiots at the TSA are imposing.
Why is he a nut job?
Why is he a nut job?
* Fourth Amendment – Protection from unreasonable search and seizure.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Flying may not be a right, but the airlines do not want this kind of invasive search. They are put up to this by Homeland Security.
>>You ever read the Bill of Rights?<<
Yep. The word “Travel” isn’t in there at all.
A good reason to go on a road trip.
Other things are. Where does it give the govt the power to strip search people who have not been arrested or convicted of a crime?
>>(4th Amendment)
Flying may not be a right, but the airlines do not want this kind of invasive search. They are put up to this by Homeland Security.<<
We are arguing 2 different things.
The 4th Amendment doesn’t apply to you when you voluntarily go somewhere. Otherwise they couldn’t have metal detectors in Court Houses (or are you saying that should be stopped too?)
I agree this is wrong on many levels — even legal. Just not constitutional. And it really bothers me when people toss the term about indiscriminately.
That’s interesting. Are there signs? Warnings that you can’t video inside airport?
I find it easier to imagine what Patton would do to that TSA puke who tried to feel him up!
In all my travels I don’t remember seeing one person dressed as a muslim selected for more intense screening.
>>Where does it give the govt the power to strip search people who have not been arrested or convicted of a crime?<<
When you CHOOSE to use that mode of travel. You can drive or take a train (for the moment) and never be strip searched.
I am not defending this insane intrusion, nor the TSA (dumbest idea ever). I am just asking it be kept in its proper framework so we don’t say “my RIGHTS are being violated!” when there are no rights at issue.
LOL, exactly! Several of the agents could have been arrested multiple times, but freed for lack of evidence. :)
Hey -- it's hard to find good teaching and coaching jobs once you've been fired for molesting a kid. In the TSA, you will have touched 258 preschool crotches before your lunch break. Woo hoo!
I joke, but I am sick over this. Flying with my kids in a few weeks. Hope these airports won't have these scanners or I am not flying.
“That’s interesting. Are there signs? Warnings that you can’t video inside airport?”
I’ve certainly seen them at some airports. I think the intent is legitimate but the usage may not be.
Roentgen Equivalent Man. What does RAD mean?
I don’t think “choice” has anything to do with it. Especially when the TSA has admitted the scanners won’t work for the purpose they are using them.
Most of TSA security is ineffective though. To be fair its a very difficult task which is why it should not be relied on as the main form of security.
‘Blogs are garbage.’
Freerepublic is a blog.
So, therefore, Freerepublic is garbage.
It’s not because of the difference between a courthouse and an airport. The reason why metal detectors are OK in courthouses, and why genitalia pat-downs are NOT OK at airports, is because of the difference in the “search.”
Walking through a metal detector is a REASONABLE search. Having your (and your Grandma’s and your 6-year-old’s) crotch probed is NOT.
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