Posted on 11/20/2010 7:31:28 AM PST by chickadee
The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) is warning that any would-be commercial airline passenger who enters an airport checkpoint and then refuses to undergo the method of inspection designated by TSA will not be allowed to fly and also will not be permitted to simply leave the airport.
That person will have to remain on the premises to be questioned by the TSA and possibly by local law enforcement. Anyone refusing faces fines up to $11,000 and possible arrest.
"Once a person submits to the screening process, they can not just decide to leave that process," says Sari Koshetz, regional TSA spokesperson, based in Miami.
(Excerpt) Read more at sun-sentinel.com ...
I care more about liberty and freedom than I do about the fiscal condition of the airlines....
I'm with you on the liberty and freedom part but this isn't the airlines doing, it's the Federal Government.
What the airlines do about it remains to be seen and they better fight this tooth and nail or they won't last long.
I’m hoping the airlines will give campaign contributions to congress critters who will fight this nonsense at the airports.....
So in the end this is just another shakedown from this fascist Government, quite possible or maybe it's a way for the bamster to Nationalize the industry when it goes belly up.
There is a goal here, just what it is hasn't become clear yet.
One thing is for sure, the goal is not security.
This TSA pat-down fiasco is good news for conservatives. It will help demonstrate to ordinary, nonpolitical Americans the incompetence of the 0bama administration. Many poeple do not consider politics until their lives are affected in a very direct way.
You wouldn't know that from listening to our legislators sucking up to Pistole last week. (It's available on cspan.)
The idea that the US start using the Israeli ‘smart’ person evaluation screening method, is flawed. To do this it would take a large number of intelligent TSA staffers, ones skilled in psychology and reading peoples mind by observing actions and the eyes.
Our current TSA mentality is to hire the thugs and minorities and make jobs for the unskilled bums. The TSA would actually need supervisors with intelligence levels higher as well. A complete oxymoron thought that we could actually learn from the Israeli successes.
Can you spell union mentality?
Yeah, I saw parts of it. Haven’t stopped heaving since.
Interesting name
Shortened from Sharia Law Mohammandette Loshetz
You're a foreigner traveling on a non-Israeli passport - you believe you shouldn't get a flag? How are Israeli's treated in their own country? How are Americans treated in their country? Is there any difference?
My number one complain with the airlines these past 9 years, Ron, is their silence. I would have been pleased if the CEOs of the big carriers had expressed outrage concerning the TSA excesses in recent years, or at least called for profiling and other sensible security precautions.
There was just one time that I recall an airline CEO expressing displeasure with security.....an an annual meeting one year of AMR Corporation, the parent company of American Airlines, CEO Robert Crandall (I think that was his name) stood in front of the stockholders with his arms sideways, like an airplane. Crandall made a derisive comment about being wanded by security.
It's way past time to start burning down their houses!
Funny...I flew through five different airports this past week and never once saw any signs informing passengers of this ugly little rule and its penalities.
The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone?
But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system, Mr. Reardon, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with." (’Atlas Shrugged’ 1957)
The answer is yes. It is based on the legal concept of "Implied Consent". Traveling by air is a voluntary act, and is using a federally regulated environment (the air traffic system). Purchasing a ticket implies consent to be searched. Entering a court house or other federal building implies consent to be searched.
Based on your questions regarding the 4th and 5th amendment, one could say emptying pockets, x-raying carry-on luggage, and requiring one to go through a metal detector does in fact violate the 4th and 5th amendment. But court decisions have supported Implied Consent as justifying these searches.
The government already requires certain information be obtained of passengers domestic travel plans, first by asking questions such as "Did you pack your own bags" and by searching checked and carried-on luggage.
This 2005 article from USA Today mentions some of the TSA's training in questioning and observation techniques, and how the ICE side of Homeland Security has been using the techniques for years: Airport security uses talk as tactic.
This 2008 article from The Atlantic mentions the TSA's use of observation techniques and identifying micro-expressions: The Things He Carried.
The idea of questions about the nature of travel are not because traveling to see grandma inherently poses less risk than traveling on business to Chicago. It is all about observing the individual during the question and the response. On the subject of questions, it would make more sense for an observation trained TSA agent to ask the "did you pack your own bags" questions than the airline.
It would also make tremendous sense to ask more questions of those selected for Secondary Security Screening Selection. The idea of not questioning the person who bought a one-way ticket with cash the same day of flight on the nature of their travel is foolish.
All of this makes more sense than putting every 10th person through the naked scanner, or groping grandma because her artificial hip set off the metal detector.
Profiling works, questioning works, and observation works. But there are experts who say naked scanners would not have caught Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab's underwear bomb.
I'm not trying to defend the airlines but they are a big part of our economy in many ways.
What happens if there is just a 10% drop in passengers because of this TSA crap?
Nothing good, that's for sure. That's also why I think there is a goal here, whether it be to control or condition people to submit, drive the airlines into a position of either bankruptcy so they can be nationalized, or???
Let's also consider this, let's say the Government backs down and capitulates to the peoples demand. Any would be terrorist now knows how they can likely get some type of device on board and they succeed in bringing a plane or even multiple planes down. Just think what the Government would do with that scenario.
I really don't disagree with anything you are saying I just think there is something larger at work here.
We just don't know what it is. yet.
JMHO
Please my fellow lovers of freedom. Don’t let the authors of the American Revolution go out with a whimper
William Tango Foxtrot! If a person refuses, they don’t fly, their choice. Where is the crime? If they go running past security to the gate to get on the plane I could understand...but if a US citizen says no, and wants to go home why is that NOT their right? It’s total BS to say that a persons constitutional rights end at the security checkpoint. We are being treated as the criminals while the actual criminals are given rights and privileges that they do not deserve (i.e. civilian court, giving muzzies a pass because CAIR gets wee wee’d up). Gawd, I have more than had enough of this crap. What is it going to take to finally put a stop to this insanity?????
For that matter, why is TSA saying you're not allowed to even leave?
This makes no sense to me...
Yes, they are. Double up on ammo.
I'm sure there are many (probably most) good TSA people doing a needed job. They probably don't like the position they have been put in either.
We need proper adults to be in charge.
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