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The Pilgrims Were ... Socialists? [In the Tea Party view of the holiday......]
New York Times ^

Posted on 11/21/2010 8:25:00 AM PST by Sub-Driver

The Pilgrims Were ... Socialists? By KATE ZERNIKE

Ah, Thanksgiving. A celebration regardless of creed; a time for all Americans to come together after a divisive election year.

But why take a holiday from argument? In these fractious times, even the meaning of Thanksgiving is subject to political debate.

Forget what you learned about the first Thanksgiving being a celebration of a bountiful harvest, or an expression of gratitude to the Indians who helped the Pilgrims through those harsh first months in an unfamiliar land. In the Tea Party view of the holiday, the first settlers were actually early socialists. They realized the error of their collectivist ways and embraced capitalism, producing a bumper year, upon which they decided that it was only right to celebrate the glory of the free market and private property.

Historians quibble with this interpretation. But the story, related by libertarians and conservatives for years, has taken on new life over the last year among Tea Party audiences, who revere early American history, and hunger for any argument against what they believe is the big-government takeover of the United States.

It has made Thanksgiving another proxy in the debate over health care and entitlement spending, and placed it alongside the New Deal and the Constitution on the platter of historical items picked apart by competing narratives.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: socialism; thanksgiving; williambradford
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To: Sub-Driver
Typical. The NYT just tells the part of the story that fits its agenda.

A Thanksgiving Lesson -- Joseph Farah

...When the Pilgrims landed in the New World, they found a cold, rocky, barren, desolate wilderness. There were no friends to greet them, Bradford wrote. No houses to shelter them. No inns where they could refresh themselves. During the first winter, half the Pilgrims died of sickness or exposure –including Bradford's wife. Though life improved for the Pilgrims when spring came, they did not really prosper. Why? Once again, the textbooks don't tell the story, but Bradford's own journal does. The reason they didn't succeed initially is because they were practicing an early form of socialism.

The original contract the Pilgrims had with their merchant-sponsors in London called for everything they produced to go into a common store. Each member of the community was entitled to one common share. All of the land they cleared and the houses they built belonged to the community. Bradford, as governor, recognized the inherent problem with this collectivist system.

"The experience that was had in this common course and condition, tried sundry years ... that by taking away property, and bringing community into common wealth, would make them happy and flourishing – as if they were wiser than God," Bradford wrote. "For this community (so far as it was) was found to breed much confusion and discontent, and retard much employment that would have been to their benefit and comfort. For young men that were most able and fir for labor and service did repine that they should spend their time and strength to work for other men's wives and children without any recompense ... that was thought injustice."

What a surprise! Even back then people did not want to work without incentive. Bradford decided to assign a plot of land to each family to work and manage, thus turning loose the power of free enterprise. What was the result?

"This had very good success," wrote Bradford, "for it made all hands industrious, so as much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been..."

41 posted on 11/21/2010 10:59:14 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The people who hate Sarah Palin hate her because they know that her Presidency is inevitable.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Did anyone catch this:

"Thanksgiving being a celebration of a bountiful harvest, or an expression of gratitude to the Indians"

There's a push to redefine the holiday vis-a-vis to Whom thanks is to be given. The media encourages a totally pedestrian "thanks a lot" approach. I think a dangerous plurality in this country have no idea what this holiday's about.

42 posted on 11/21/2010 11:01:04 AM PST by Oratam
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To: loveliberty2

Exactly. To my delight I have been able to introduce all three of my kids to the perils and pitfalls of socialism by 2nd grade by using this very illustration, that the common storehouse practiced by the Plymouth settlers DID NOT WORK. The joys of homeschooling...


43 posted on 11/21/2010 11:39:13 AM PST by agrace
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To: Maceman

Yes, it is very close. Bradford later said of socialism, “We thought we were smarter than God” (paraphrasing).


44 posted on 11/21/2010 12:35:41 PM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: agrace
Your children are fortunate. I heard a retired head of the Education Department at a major university state that "the home school movement is the brightest spot in American education." He was correct.

Had your children been in a so-called "public school" they would never have been exposed to accounts like that of Governor Bradford. Nor would they have heard advice like that contained in the following excerpts from Thomas Jefferson's letter to young Peter Carr:

“When your mind shall be well improved with science, nothing will be necessary to place you in the highest points of view, but to pursue the interests of your country, the interests of your friends, and your own interests also, with the purest integrity, the most chaste honor.
The defect of these virtues can never be made up by all the other acquirements of body and mind. Make these then your first object.
Give up money, give up fame, give up science, give the earth itself and all it contains, rather than do an immoral act. And never suppose, that in any possible situation, or under any circumstances, it is best for you to do a dishonorable thing, however slightly so it may appear to you.
Whenever you are to do a thing, though it can never be known but to yourself, ask yourself how you would act were all the world looking at you, and act accordingly.
Encourage all your virtuous dispositions, and exercise them whenever an opportunity arises; being assured that they will gain strength by exercise, as a limb of the body does, and that exercise will make them habitual. From the practice of the purest virtue, you may be assured you will derive the most sublime comforts in every moment of life, and in the moment of death.
If ever you find yourself environed with difficulties and perplexing circumstances, out of which you are at a loss how to extricate yourself, do what is right, and be assured that that will extricate you the best out of the worst situations.
Though you cannot see, when you take one step, what will be the next, yet follow truth, justice, and plain dealing, and never fear their leading you out of the labyrinth, in the easiest manner possible. The knot which you thought a Gordian one, will untie itself before you. Nothing is so mistaken as the supposition, that a person is to extricate himself from a difficulty, by intrigue, by chicanery, by dissimulation, by trimming, by an untruth, by an injustice. This increases the difficulties ten fold; and those who pursue these methods, get themselves so involved at length, that they can turn no way but their infamy becomes more exposed.
It is of great importance to set a resolution, not to be shaken, never to tell an untruth. There is no vice so mean, so pitiful, so contemptible; and he who permits himself to tell a lie once, finds it much easier to do it a second and third time, till at length it becomes habitual; he tells lies without attending to it, and truths without the world's believing him. This falsehood of the tongue leads to that of the heart, and in time depraves all its good dispositions.
An honest heart being the first blessing, a knowing head is the second.” - (Excerpted from Thomas Jefferson’s Letter to young Peter Carr, August 19, 1785)"

Sadly, many of our politicians never become statesmen like Jefferson, Washington, Madison, Adams, and the others of our country's founding generation.

45 posted on 11/21/2010 1:53:07 PM PST by loveliberty2
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To: loveliberty2

That’s fantastic, actually brought tears to my eyes. Such moral clarity. I think I’ll read that to my kids tomorrow.

Case in point - just now I asked my 7 yr old if putting food into a common storehouse worked for the Pilgrims and she said “no... and at Jamestown John Smith said ‘whoever will not work will not eat.’” Gotta love that.


46 posted on 11/21/2010 4:45:01 PM PST by agrace
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To: agrace
Thank you for sharing. You may want to share with them also the following Jefferson treasures:

"COUNSEL TO A NAMESAKE

To Thomas Jefferson Smith, Monticello, February 21, 1825

This letter will, to you, be as one from the dead. The writer will be in the grave before you can weigh its counsels. Your affectionate and excellent father has requested that I would address to you something which might possibly have a favorable influence on the course of life you have to run, and I too, as a namesake, feel an interest in that course. Few words will be necessary, with good dispositions on your part. Adore God. Reverence and cherish your parents. Love your neighbor as yourself, and your country more than yourself. Be just. Be true. Murmur not at the ways of Providence. So shall the life into which you have entered, be the portal to one of eternal and ineffable bliss. And if to the dead it is permitted to care for the things of this world, every action of your life will be under my regard. Farewell."


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"The portrait of a good man by the most sublime of poets, for your imitation.

Lord, who's the happy man that may to thy blest courts repair;
Not stranger-like to visit them but to inhabit there?
'Tis he whose every thought and deed by rules of virtue moves;
Whose generous tongue disdains to speak the thing his heart disproves.
Who never did a slander forge, his neighbor's fame to wound;
Nor hearken to a false report, by malice whispered round.
Who vice in all its pomp and power, can treat with just neglect;
And piety, though clothed in rages, religiously respect.
Who to his plighted vows and trust has ever firmly stood;
And though he promise to his loss, he makes his promise good.
Whose soul in usury disdains his treasure to employ;
Whom no rewards can ever bribe the guiltless to destroy.
The man, who, by his steady course, has happiness insur'd.
When earth's foundations shake, shall stand, by Providence secur'd."


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"A Decalogue of Canons for observation in practical life.
  1. Never put off till to-morrow what you can do to-day.
  2. Never trouble another for what you can do yourself.
  3. Never spend your money before you have it.
  4. Never buy what you do not want, because it is cheap; it will be dear to you.
  5. Pride costs us more than hunger, thirst and cold.
  6. We never repent of having eaten too little.
  7. Nothing is troublesome that we do willingly.
  8. How much pain have cost us the evils which have never happened.
  9. Take things always by their smooth handle.
  10. When angry, count ten, before you speak; if very angry, an hundred."

    Personally, #9 in the last grouping has benefited me many times over the past several years since I first read Jefferson's advice. If you have not used these yet, I hope they will be beneficial to your children's education, as they were to me.


47 posted on 11/21/2010 6:02:45 PM PST by loveliberty2
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To: Flash Bazbeaux
They tried socialism the first year and lost over 1/2 the population...Wised up for the second year and gave each person a piece of land to raise their food....thanksgiving was the thank you to God for a bountiful harvest. (and capitalism) the farmers fed their family's and had enough left over to sell to the others.... Like the bible say's, he who does not work, does not eat..
48 posted on 11/21/2010 7:45:51 PM PST by goat granny
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