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Mullen: Troops Who Balk at Change in Gay Service Policy Can Find Other Work
FoxNews.com ^ | December 02, 2010

Posted on 12/02/2010 9:41:33 AM PST by US Navy Vet

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To: US Navy Vet

I am almost surprised Mullen made such an idiotic remark. However, he is obviously FOR pushing that obscene agenda that he doesn’t care.


51 posted on 12/02/2010 10:02:04 AM PST by sigzero
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To: WestwardHo

And what you are determines what level of temptation you are exposed to in certain situations.

We have security clearances because people who ARE a certain way because of their history and evidenced by their behavior, would be tempted to do the wrong thing with highly-sensitive information if they were placed in that situation. Somebody who doesn’t make top-security clearance can still handle other levels of responsibility that wouldn’t pose a temptation for them.

To take gay guys (for instance) and put them in the same bunks and showers with other guys, where there is no incentive for them to keep their sexuality separate from their work, would be like taking a red-blooded hetero guy and putting him in the bedrooms and showers with the ladies. Might be do-able if he had to pose as a woman and could be fired if anybody even found out he was a guy, but it would never work if he was able to openly be a red-blooded guy.

It’s a temptation issue, and it’s stupid of the military to play with it. As it is right now, I doubt that military guys would have a problem with a gay guy who was minding his own business. Even if they knew he was gay, as long as his sexual life wasn’t in their face all the time they probably wouldn’t care. Live and let live. But when you have to sleep and shower in close quarters with somebody it’s a whole different situation.


52 posted on 12/02/2010 10:02:10 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: MrB

They already have the next card ready.

After allowing gays to serve openly the next hissy fit will be..............

If they can defend our freedoms and die for us, they must be able to be married as well!!! Nothing like using the military to score some points!


53 posted on 12/02/2010 10:02:10 AM PST by panthermom
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To: ArrogantBustard

I would not speculate about, nor encourage violence over this in any way. I remember all too well the race riots on a number of Navy ships back in the day and there is no honor in promoting what amounts to an open mutiny.


54 posted on 12/02/2010 10:02:15 AM PST by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts!!)
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To: americanophile

Then they have accomplished their goal haven’t they. No more wars after that. Just lay down and surrender.


55 posted on 12/02/2010 10:02:15 AM PST by refermech
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To: circlecity

Perhaps he misspoke ... what you do, not who you do. Haha.

SnakeDoc


56 posted on 12/02/2010 10:02:39 AM PST by SnakeDoctor ("They made it evident to every man [...] that human beings are many, but men are few." -- Herodotus)
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To: Bean Counter
...the race riots... open mutiny

Good points. Thank you.

57 posted on 12/02/2010 10:04:11 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: US Navy Vet
Well, "miss" Mullen wouldn't have to worry about helping me "find a new job" if I was still in and they started this gay crap...I'd be gone.

What's next? Pink Fatigues?


58 posted on 12/02/2010 10:05:09 AM PST by FrankR (Don't let the bastards wear you down!)
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To: US Navy Vet
I think things will work out just fine with an openly queer military.

They love it at work when I force others to hear/accept my particular sexual proclivities. I want to screw my bosses daughter, and this a$$hole and my wife have a problem with it...? Wonder how things would work out if I wanted to screw his boy...?

Anyone who allows others to force them to accommodate and publicly impose/sanction/accept what should remain private proclivities or perversions is not a warrior anyhow.

59 posted on 12/02/2010 10:05:40 AM PST by mmercier (there is a crack in the mirror)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

“In the navy
Yes, you can sail the seven seas
In the navy
Yes, you can put your mind at ease
In the navy
Come on now, people, make a stand
In the navy, in the navy
Can’t you see we need a hand
In the navy
Come on, protect the motherland
In the navy
Come on and join your fellow man
In the navy
Come on people, and make a stand
In the navy, in the navy, in the navy (in the navy)”

Oh God!! During my 5th week of boot camp I had to work in the USO, and they had that song on the jukebox. It was played at least 30 times a day. Waterboarding couldn’t be much worse! LOL

I loved the Navy but I’ll never forget my 5th week of boot camp! lol


60 posted on 12/02/2010 10:05:40 AM PST by Sporke (USS-Iowa BB-61)
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To: Soothesayer

Actually the destruction began 17 years ago when Clinton initiated DADT.


61 posted on 12/02/2010 10:05:55 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: OldDeckHand
Mike Mullen, the first CJS in the history of the Joint Chiefs, to NOT wear the Combat Action Ribbon, or its Army/AF equivalent.

How is it even possible to advance to flag rank without having received one somewhere along the line?

62 posted on 12/02/2010 10:06:40 AM PST by Bob
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To: US Navy Vet
Mullen told a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing that the military is based on meritocracy, "what you do, not who you are."

Respectfully Admiral Mullen, where you put your junk is not "who you are".

"Who you are" is a lot more than where you put your junk.

63 posted on 12/02/2010 10:06:40 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (NASA? Muslims? Muslims will want to go to the moon only when Israel sets up shop there.)
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To: US Navy Vet
Seems that Mullen has forgotten what the U.S. military's point in being really is---to fight and win wars.

I predict much wailing and knashing of teeth in the Pentagon this time next year once the retention rates plummet and Uncle Sam suddenly has another personnel crisis on its hands.

64 posted on 12/02/2010 10:06:54 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: edcoil

Destruction of our manufacturing base - check
Dumbed down public schools - check
Dumber courts - check
Unchecked ILLEGAL foreigners - check
Shred the Constitution - check
Destroy the currency - check
Neuter the military - check

YES WE CAN!!!!!!


65 posted on 12/02/2010 10:07:56 AM PST by LFOD (Presently - Back in Dixie)
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To: US Navy Vet

Hey y’all ever think this is the way to cut military spending without actually coming out and saying we want to scale back the amount of troops?

If it is repealed I highly doubt that there will be lines to get into the recruiters offices in SF, Atl. and NYC.

If even 10% walked that would be the equivalent to the entire Marine Corps and then some.


66 posted on 12/02/2010 10:09:03 AM PST by panthermom
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To: OldDeckHand

Mullun is a “SWO(Surface Warfare Officer)”. It has been my experiance the the SWO “Community” has 2 types of officers:
1. Truely Top Notch Officers

AND

2. True Bottom-of-the-Line Sh$tpiles

Looks like we know witch one Mullen was/is.


67 posted on 12/02/2010 10:10:12 AM PST by US Navy Vet
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To: bareford101

That is exactly what open homosexuals feel. Me Me Me, like ME, be nice to ME, look at ME!!!


68 posted on 12/02/2010 10:10:59 AM PST by panthermom
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To: bareford101

That is exactly what open homosexuals feel. Me Me Me, like ME, be nice to ME, look at ME!!!


69 posted on 12/02/2010 10:11:47 AM PST by panthermom
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To: US Navy Vet
Another so-called military man who does not understand the mission of the military. The military is formed to kill the enemy and break their things. IT IS NOT A SOCIAL EXPERIMENT TO LEGITIMIZE A SEXUAL PRFERENCE!!!!!
70 posted on 12/02/2010 10:13:51 AM PST by JayAr36
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To: bareford101

This is a beyond-dangerous path, allowing gays and illegal aliens in the military. They will not be reliable soldiers if push ever comes to shove and this country is under attack here.


71 posted on 12/02/2010 10:13:58 AM PST by Newtoidaho (Liberals are drooling buffoons backed by satanic goons.)
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To: himno hero

Go ahead. Live in denial.


72 posted on 12/02/2010 10:14:43 AM PST by Soothesayer (“None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license...")
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To: US Navy Vet

Those soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen will give them the true poll numbers - and our forces will suffer the loss of these brave men and women as they tell Mullen to stuff it and leave.


73 posted on 12/02/2010 10:15:29 AM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: butterdezillion

I’m a woman. I was in the Army, and lived in the barracks.
You are speaking to the choir.
My youngest son is a homosexual. He has become the most duplicitous, deceitful, selfish, narcissistic creature you have ever met. It’s because he has to lie to himself to justify his behavior.
They do not procreate, they recruit.
They are vicious and without conscience.
They have loyalties to no one except themselves.
We don’t want them in the barracks.
We don’t want them to have access to 18yr old recruits.
We don’t want to turn them loose in combat, or among innocent civilians caught up in a conflict.


74 posted on 12/02/2010 10:15:58 AM PST by WestwardHo (Whom the gods would destroy, they first drive mad.)
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To: bareford101

Gays know enough to stay out of combat units. They will gravitate to non-combat units and services.


75 posted on 12/02/2010 10:16:03 AM PST by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: Palter

“I never understood why that was never challenged by Congress”

So you argue that congress should have overturned Trumans executive order,,,, and re-established segregation? wow,,,


76 posted on 12/02/2010 10:17:17 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: US Navy Vet

So, we no longer have freedom of religion and freedom of thought in the military. This is so unConstitutional and goes against the laws of nature which is what our country was founded on. We are turning our Founding Documents on their head.

Hate speech was instituted by cultural Marxists to destroy the Christian paradigm that led to the most productive and fair country in the history of the world and we are replacing it with the old Roman and Greek pagan model.

Those societies failed on their own vomit....orgies and pederasty were the rule. That is why the Jews were so vilified....because they thought the homosexual lifestyle with their abuse of boys was so vile. Christians are also reviled today because they stand in the way of using children sexually, although the Church was attacked and invaded from within by the homosexuals. We see the results of allowing homosexuality to be glorified instead of condemned which is was until 20 years ago—before political correctness shut Christians up and homosexuals in the media tore down the Church.

We are making the good evil and the evil good.


77 posted on 12/02/2010 10:18:12 AM PST by savagesusie
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To: US Navy Vet

Among other things, the US military is our largest bureaucracy, and a president will always be able to find senior officers to push whatever policy the president wants pushed, as Mullen and others so thoroughly demonstrate.


78 posted on 12/02/2010 10:18:51 AM PST by Will88
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To: Soothesayer

Its not denial brother, the world is upside down and verging on collapse of western values...


79 posted on 12/02/2010 10:19:07 AM PST by himno hero
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To: ScottinVA

Not just this but a whole string of lousy, wrong, evil decisions that have happened over the last two years that are getting our people killed every day! Gawd it makes me so mad. But as a German citizen said in an interview I saw, what is one person to do? I could not go up to Hitler and “do anything to” him. He was never around in such a position that anyone could just do that, and even if they did, what about all the rest of them? Someone else would have taken his place.


80 posted on 12/02/2010 10:19:27 AM PST by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: Cisco Nix
Bradley Manning may have leaked classified info out of anger at US military’s gay policy.

New York Times have exposed Manning as someone who could be a bitter homosexual man. After all, the article detailed his high-school years where he was made fun of for, in part, being gay. Then, after he joined the US military, he found the atmosphere in the military not to be accepting of his homosexual lifestyle and his liberal opinions, among other things. Consequently, he confided to supposed confidants like the notorious hacker, Adrian Lamo, that he was feeling isolated.

Manning—who is openly homosexual, by the way—was also known to have marched in a gay (homosexual) pride march/parade. If you search the Internet for pictures of him, you can even see ones of him holding up signs demanding "equality" on "the battlefield," battlefield being a likely reference to the US military.

That (above) is the other little pencil neck creep enlisted in our military (Bradley Manning on a gay pride march, Bradley Manning, the Wikileaks suspect, grew up in Wales after his parents split up) who leaked to the little pencil neck bastard of WikiLeaks, Julian Assange (below).


81 posted on 12/02/2010 10:19:49 AM PST by kcvl
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To: butterdezillion

I don’t even think the problem will be so much sexual harrassment as much as it will be the gays becoming their own group by self segregation and then the relationships will become out of hand. That in and of itself would lead to trouble. Could you imagine 2 gays in the same platoon going through a bad break up? How about promiscuous sex within a company? Most of those serving are in their 20’s.....they are horny and gays are the worst because they define themselves by a sex act!


82 posted on 12/02/2010 10:20:01 AM PST by panthermom
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To: Bob
"How is it even possible to advance to flag rank without having received one somewhere along the line? "

It has to be hard. He does wear the Vietnam Service medal, but that was a little before by day, so I'm not sure exactly why he doesn't also have the CAR, but he clearly doesn't.

There haven't been a lot of Navy CJS. I think only three or four. Most of those were naval aviators, with heavy combat experience from WWII. Crowe, who served under Reagan, wasn't an aviator, but he had heavy surface warfare experience, again during WWII. Mullen came in during the tail-end of Vietnam, and was never deployed to a ground unit, like a Seal or FO, or to a literal ship like John effing Kerry. Mullen is/was a pretty conventional surface warfare guy serving in a navy that hasn't had a large surface warfare battle in almost 65 years.

83 posted on 12/02/2010 10:21:16 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: US Navy Vet

Wow! That is something else. I retire in June 2011 after 24 years in the Navy. I just can’t believe he is giving that type of ultimatum.


84 posted on 12/02/2010 10:21:48 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Cisco Nix

Bradley Manning, suspected source of Wikileaks documents, raged on his Facebook page

Bradley Manning, the prime suspect in the leaking of the Afghan war files, raged against his US Army employers and “society at large” on his Facebook page in the days before he allegedly downloaded thousands of secret memos, The Daily Telegraph has learnt.
The US Army intelligence analyst, who is half British and went to school in Wales, appeared to sink into depression after a relationship break-up, saying he didn’t “have anything left” and was “beyond frustrated”.

In an apparent swipe at the army, he also wrote: “Bradley Manning is not a piece of equipment,” and quoted a joke about “military intelligence” being an oxymoron.

Mr Manning, 22, who is currently awaiting court martial, is suspected of leaking more than 90,000 secret military documents to the Wikileaks website in a security breach which US officials claim has endangered the lives of serving soldiers and Afghan informers.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/7918632/Bradley-Manning-suspected-source-of-Wikileaks-documents-raged-on-his-Facebook-page.html


85 posted on 12/02/2010 10:22:17 AM PST by kcvl
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To: US Navy Vet

Hey Admiral!

How about the GAYS find “other work”????!!!


86 posted on 12/02/2010 10:23:49 AM PST by G Larry (When you're right, avoid compromise!)
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To: US Navy Vet

LOL!

Anyone wanting 4 tours in Iraq and Afghanistan (and maybe a detour to the DMZ) in the next 8 years, welcome to apply for a military job!


87 posted on 12/02/2010 10:25:52 AM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: ScottinVA

Mullen will come to regret that statement. A lot of troops ARE going to walk as a result of this.

Long gone are the days when senior military leaders actually stood strongly for what was best for the Armed Forces.””””

An instant Brain-Drain of qualified & well trained personnel.

What a wonderful result we get for caving in to about 8% of the population which prefers to reside in Freaksville.

How many recruits with prison records will be necessary to fill the ranks???

Or are we only going to end up with local ‘security’??


88 posted on 12/02/2010 10:26:59 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: US Navy Vet

Is this man any kin to “Moon Mullin(s)”?


89 posted on 12/02/2010 10:28:01 AM PST by GOYAKLA (Flush Congress in 2010 & 2012)
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To: US Navy Vet

They are doing this because currently they are trying to get rid of people in the military. They are downsizing and this will just help the process. Trust me, if the economy was great this would not be considered. They know that they have the military folks by the “balls” because if they get out, the economy is so bad that getting a job is very difficult so they believe people will stay and when the economy improves this will be yesterday’s news. These folks are not stupid and they know exactly what they are doing.


90 posted on 12/02/2010 10:28:43 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: panthermom

Agreed. It opens up a whole can of worms with soap operas galore. Like having women on board ships opened up a can of worms, as somebody mentioned. The Operation Petticoat kind of thing. You could say it would be different with gays because they wouldn’t get pregnant, but unit morale and cohesion is even more critical than whether a person is pregnant. And that’s what is at risk.


91 posted on 12/02/2010 10:28:53 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: US Navy Vet

This is what the Admiral is obviously hoping our military will openly embrace!

Get p*ssed off by your ‘boyfriend’, leak classified documents to ‘show them’. Unhappy in the military, sabotage it!

******

Mr Manning, who is openly homosexual, began his gloomy postings on January 12, saying: “Bradley Manning didn’t want this fight. Too much to lose, too fast.”

Five days later he said he was “livid” after being “lectured by ex-boyfriend”, then later the same day said he was “not a piece of equipment” and was “beyond frustrated with people and society at large”.

His tagline on his personal page reads: “Take me for who I am, or face the consequences!”

“Some people are saying that Bradley was a trouble-maker but he was anything but. He was just an introverted kid who loved computers and was fired up politically.”

Scott Lewis, a former classmate, said: “He was a bit hot-headed. If there was something he didn’t agree with, he spoke up about it.”

Pictures on Mr Manning’s Facebook page include photos of him on school trips during his time in Wales and at a gay rights rally, where he is holding up a placard demanding equality on “the battlefield”.

http://tinyurl.com/2be6lb9


92 posted on 12/02/2010 10:29:04 AM PST by kcvl
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To: panthermom

face it- any group of horndogs (people who flaunt sexuality as a form of self identity) in a laregly teen and 20-something organization that is SUPPOSED to train people to work as a team to face deadly peril 24/7 - is BAD NEWS


93 posted on 12/02/2010 10:29:28 AM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: US Navy Vet

Another thing, there is no doubt in my mind that either a brother or son is gay. He is way too passionate about this topic to not have it affect him in some way. Sorry to post three posts to you....lol.


94 posted on 12/02/2010 10:29:51 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Carley

Cdolin Powell spent a lifetime using the race card.


95 posted on 12/02/2010 10:30:01 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: US Navy Vet
I expect President Palin to ask for his resignation in the first 10 mins. of her administration.
96 posted on 12/02/2010 10:32:40 AM PST by McGruff
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To: Carley

It looks like Bradly Mannings leaking of classified documnets WORKED because he wanted to ‘change things’ in the military!

Thanks, ADMIRAL, you lunatic!

******

According to a post on RedCounty, the Family Research Council (FRC) has revealed that the now-infamous Wikileaker, U.S. Army Private Bradley Manning, is a homosexual activist. The FRC cites a story in the U.K. Telegraph which indicated that not only does Manning has an extensive history of campaigning for gay, lesbian, and transgendered causes, but may have even been considering a sex change when he leaked military secrets on the Internet via Wikileaks. Once again, a foreign media source reports what the gutless, co-opted, celebrity-obsessed American national media hasn’t the courage to touch.

According to the Telegraph, Manning engaged in gay rights activism before he joined the U.S. Army.

It has not been reported whether Manning actually engaged in gay rights political activism in violation of DADT after he joined the U.S. Army. However, he was known to be open about his homosexuality. Manning’s postings on Facebook were apparently a precursor to his release of information on Wikileaks. He began his postings on January 12th, 2010, saying: “Bradley Manning didn’t want this fight. Too much to lose, too fast.” At the beginning of May, when he was serving at a US military base near Baghdad, he changed his status to: “Bradley Manning is now left with the sinking feeling that he doesn’t have anything left.” Five days later he said he was livid after being lectured by ex-boyfriend, then later the same day said he was not a piece of equipment and was beyond frustrated with people and society at large. His tagline on his personal page reads: “Take me for who I am, or face the consequences!” A June 10th Washington Post story reveals Manning had earlier lost a stripe for striking a fellow soldier. Finally, Manning was arrested at the end of May on suspicion of leaking a video of a US helicopter attack, and quickly became the main suspect when the Afghan war documents were leaked earlier this week.

It appears that after his demotion, Bradley Manning felt he no longer had a future in the Army, and so he thought that by sharing classified information about his government’s foreign policy, he might “actually change something.”

http://alaskapride.blogspot.com/2010/08/us-army-wikileaker-private-bradley.html


97 posted on 12/02/2010 10:33:13 AM PST by kcvl
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To: US Navy Vet

does this mean the military will allow people to withdraw without penalty because of this new sex fetish endorsement policy?

Since when was the military “just a job”?


98 posted on 12/02/2010 10:33:17 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: US Navy Vet

Mullen and Gates have to go. Their stunning lack of moral leadership and standards demands it.


99 posted on 12/02/2010 10:33:46 AM PST by DesScorp
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To: ridesthemiles

as many or more troops will walk in the short run because of the management style of Mullens and others over this

Like it or LEAVE

Frankly I am astounded by the patriotism and dedication of the people who have stayed the past 2 years under the clueless arrogant inept obama administration - negotiating clandestinely with the taliban while ordering US troops to die fighting. Their sacrifice makes me very very very sad


100 posted on 12/02/2010 10:34:10 AM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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