World Net Daily fabricates a "Missile" Contrail tale

Faith, Reason, and Health ^ | 12/12/2010 | Dr. Brian Kopp

[TigersEye]

And you would be Bill Murray in Caddyshack. Thanks for your serious contribution.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Even if the cameraman didn't see it his camera would have captured it.

Leyvas' camera DID capture it!

Go to this YouTube version of the footage and watch it from 1:17 to 1:20 and compare that to Warren's photos.

Compare stills from Lehvas' video to Warren's first couple photos.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

But it's definitely for-or-against something.

The question is, what?

Truth. Some folks don't like being scammed by ratings hungry TV stations.

CBS scammed your experts with sweeps week video that they purposely edited for greatest effect during sweeps week.

Absent anything except that fragment of ten minutes of the total video, several experts called it as a missile.

If they could see the rest of the raw video they would change their opinion, because they know SLBMs do not create an exhaust plume for ten minutes.

[TigersEye]

But it does not follow that within that span of time it got big enough for the camera to see.

Here is where Rick Warren has it at 5:23.

In just 8 more minutes (only about 66 miles closer @ 500 mph) UPS902 would be directly over Santa Catalina Island (absolutely confirmed by flightaware and Airport Monitor) which is about 25 miles from LA harbor. That's close enough to see an airplane distinctly with the unaided eye yet you are contending it couldn't be seen 66 miles further out with a very high-powered zoom lens?

[TigersEye]

Leyvas' camera DID capture it!

I think you missed the context of the question I was responding to. I was not contending that he never captured it at all.

[The Duke]

But it's definitely for-or-against something. The question is, what?

It's for-or-against taking the "blue pill" vs. the "red pill".

Blue pill = dash of cold water on the face.

Red pill = staying in the nice cozy comfort zone (which also happens to be a fantasy).

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Actually, it can't be seen in Warren's photos either. You're seeing a short contrail in those photos, not the airliner itself:

[Yardstick]

The video was taken from so far away that if the vehicle was still coming towards him

You do realize that the vehicle was coming "towards him" only in the sense of its ground track, right? I.e. it was on a path to fly over him, not into him. As such it would have been able to move upwards out of the frame.

As he said, if it was getting closer it would get bigger. Yet the vehicle remains the same relative size and clarity.

This is because at long distances an object's apparent (angular) size doesn't change much as it gets closer. Also because the conditions for contrail formation are changing as it gets closer. Its contrail is getting shorter which offsets the fact that it's getting closer.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

He isn't saying that the smaller contrail isn't there (though he thinks it's not new contrail but rather a piece of the main contrail), just that the plane itself isn't visible at the tip of it. In that sense he is correct. It is too small to see. But it is there, as is evidenced by the small contrail it is making.

You are exactly right, see post #107.

[Yardstick]

Why? Precisely because it looks nothing like a plane.

Really?

In what sense does this look "nothing" like a typical contrail from a plane?

[TigersEye]

As such it would have been able to move upwards out of the frame.

Not at a distance like this...

[TXnMA]

ROFLOL!! Dramatic? You should be glad you didn't see my FReepMail to Dr, Kopp -- trashing him, his writing, his ancestry (well, not his ancestry...) ;-) when I read that piece of twisted, mushed-up garbage..

(No, it was a private communication and I'm not sharing it...)

[DoorGunner]

My personal opinion, as someone who has observed “thousands” of contrails.

Unless the TV footage was deliberately speeded up, this could not possibly be a commercial jet contrail.

Jet contrails are white (ice crystals) are not nearly as thick, and, if blown by wind, tend to dissipate rapidly.

Furthermore, you can usually clearly see one distinct plume from each engine. IF this is a jet, it is a deliberate hoax.

DG

[TigersEye]

The middle pic you posted there appears to be from, or the same, as what is seen in Leyvas' video here. In the video you can see the contrail growing even after it dissipates and becomes a very short contrail. Are you contending that there is no vehicle of any kind at the leading point of that growing contrail?

[TigersEye]

ROFLOL!! Dramatic? You should be glad you didn't see my FReepMail to Dr, Kopp -- trashing him, his writing, his ancestry (well, not his ancestry...) ;-) when I read that piece of twisted, mushed-up garbage..

That's pretty typical of your posting right from the very start.

[aruanan]

the contrail remained in view for 4 minutes 43 seconds in Warren’s photos. Based on altitude and position, the object first appeared in Leyvas’ video at least five minutes prior to Warren’s photos.


In other words, it was observed in powered flight for over 9 minutes, far too long to be any sort of missile other than a jet-powered missile. If it had been a sub launched missile heading to the northwest, it would have been out of sight long, long before even half that time had passed.

To me WND has always appeared more as an advertising site that uses "news" stories to generate traffic for exposure to its ads more than a site with a serious mission that sells advertising to fund the mission. It seems that for WND funding is the mission (I finally tagged the emails from them as SPAM).

[TigersEye]

You might also be interested in this video analysis which shows a second
contrail intersecting with the one we have been discussing all this time.

Mystery Missile Unseen Footage

[SeeSac]

I don't know if WND is just so blinded by their world view and "experts" and agenda that they simply screwed up, or whether they posted this knowing just how dishonest it truly is.

Follow the money ..... and count the number of $99 dollar subscriptions.

[TXnMA]

You cannot back light a contrail at 35,000 feet from a setting sun if you are observing close to sea level. It is physically impossible. "

You obviously have no grasp of the geometry of sunset. A contrail appearing to come from over the horizon near (in azimuth) to where the sun has recently set can only be backlighted.

Where do you think the sun is? Between the earth and the contrail?

Hint: the Earth is round...

Must I draw you a picture?

[Yardstick]

In just 8 more minutes (only about 66 miles closer @ 500 mph) UPS902 would be directly over Santa Catalina Island (absolutely confirmed by flightaware and Airport Monitor) which is about 25 miles from LA harbor. That's close enough to see an airplane distinctly with the unaided eye yet you are contending it couldn't be seen 66 miles further out with a very high-powered zoom lens?

That's 91 miles, nearly the distance from Knoxville to Chattanooga. I'm not an optics guy but that seems pretty far away. And do we even know that the cameraman was trying to keep it in the frame at that time? In the video I've seen he was not.

But this is all academic since we have a picture of the plane flying inland from the west: