World Net Daily fabricates a "Missile" Contrail tale

Faith, Reason, and Health ^ | 12/12/2010 | Dr. Brian Kopp

[Brian Kopp DPM]

The contrail in question is on the left in this photo, which was taken by a photographer on Hermosa Beach, north of Leyvas and Warren:

[aruanan]

Also note that what the second guy posted at Flickr as being the contrail of the “launch” is, in reality, when looking at the full Hermosa Beach photo, simply the second from the left of at least 4 contrails visible at the same time, the farthest to the left being the one in question.

[A.A. Cunningham]

Whatever it is that's not the typical plane contrail.

Maybe not to a neophyte.

How many engines did UPS jet flight 902 have?

Three

MD-11 contrail

MD-11 contrail

Special contrail photos

Plane contrails dissipate faster.

Not necessarily. Depends on atmospheric conditions, altitude, winds aloft, humidity, barometric pressure, time of day, engine type, etc.

[TigersEye]

But this is all academic since we have a picture of the plane flying inland from the west:

That's an illusion created by the atmosphere and a poor quality webcam camera. ;^)

[aruanan]

The Chi Coms got ticked and blew off a missile to get Barry’s attention. Quit blaming WND and just accept it.

Poor girl, come back to the real world before you're entirely subverted by what you want to believe.

[Yardstick]

Not at a distance like this...

It depends on how zoomed in the cameraman was and how he framed the scene.

[TXnMA]

"I asked this several weeks ago and no one came forth with an answer. So I ask again."

And I went to considerable lengths to ask (and answer) the same question -- here -- with graphics.

No outbound contrail can physically match all the photos and video we have.

An inbound track matches them all.

Period.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Are you contending that there is no vehicle of any kind at the leading point of that growing contrail?

No, I'm contending that the object itself was never really seen in any of the video or the photos. Glint of the sun reflecting off the body of the object is seen for 30-45 seconds, but otherwise all that was ever visible has been contrail. I have yet to see any closeups of any of the photos or the video that shows anything except contrail.

When the contrail ceased to be created in Leyvas' video, he thought the object itself disappeared from site. When the object reappeared a distance from the contrail, it wasn't the object itself that was seen but simply a resumption of contrail formation, which does not persevere as long in the changing air dew point closer to land.

[indcons]

Thanks for posting.

There’s a reason why I call it the World Nut Daily. I also remember when some FReepers (incl your truly) caught Newsmax fabricating a “Hillary Clinton Awarded Bronze Star” story a while ago.

Both sources publish interesting opinion pieces every once in a while - neither of them are credible when it comes to “raw” news.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Excellent point, thank you for pointing that out!

[aruanan]

These two seem to correlate strongly. Very strongly. You might say unmistakably.

You should have read a little farther:

"The time stamps on Warren’s photos were used to establish that the object creating the contrail remained in view for 4 minutes 43 seconds in Warren’s photos. Based on altitude and position, the object first appeared in Leyvas’ video at least five minutes prior to Warren’s photos."

An actively produced trail was observed over a period of 9 minutes 43 seconds. Too long to possibly be any kind of missile, except for the jet-powered kind.

[indcons]

Great photo

[TigersEye]

It depends on how zoomed in the cameraman was and how he framed the scene.

I provided a pic that shows those aspects. Zoomed way out and lots of space above the plume.

[Yardstick]

That's an illusion created by the atmosphere and a poor quality webcam camera. ;^)

Zat the best you got?

So far the only serious arguments I've seen against the Cargo Law pic are that the time stamp is an hour off and that it's a different contrail. But both of these have been dealt with.

Unless you've got something new, I think that pic clinches it.

[Right Wing Assault]

Yes, I based my question on your original great information. They didn’t respond to you then nor did they respond to me. And they didn’t respond to me today.

I guess they are stumped.

As was said a few weeks back, case closed. Plane.

But no, they will come back and say we’re crazy, it was a missile going northwest and we’re using all that complicated math and physics to confuse the issue. And we’ll ask them the same question and they won’t answer it again.

Fun to see how many rounds this will go.

[A.A. Cunningham]

Good job Brian.

[Yardstick]

I provided a pic that shows those aspects. Zoomed way out and lots of space above the plume.

I assume you mean the pic in #111. When was it taken?

[TXnMA]

"What the critics haven't explained that we see a single plume and only one solid and large contrail from the source."

MD-11. Three engines. Center engine "fills in" -- and forms a single contrail. Well documented. See

http://contrailscience.com/skitch/MD11-20101113-142055.jpg

Contrails that freeze into ice crystals persist until the ice sublimates. Many last for hours under the right conditions.

And, yes, we explained and illustrated this several times.

[TigersEye]

No, I'm contending that the object itself was never really seen in any of the video or the photos.

OK.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Thanks. This was a bit outside of my usual subject areas ;-)