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For Hawaii governor, discrediting anti-Obama 'birthers' is a top priority
Los Angeles Times ^ | Dec 24, 2010 | Michael A. Memoli,

Posted on 12/23/2010 6:33:05 PM PST by Innovative

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Call to Action An apparent lie about Obama’s birth certificate
On August 21, 2008, Factcheck.org published an article, Born in the U.S.A. which they claimed contained “The truth about Obama’s birth certificate.” It turns out, however, that this article contains at least one enormous bold-faced lie.

In June of 2008, an image of an alleged Hawaii Department of Health (HDOH) issued Certification of Live Birth (COLB) belonging to U.S. Presidential candidate Barack Obama was posted online. In response to speculation that the alleged COLB did not contain a ‘raised seal’ or registrar’s signature, Factcheck.org published this article and in it, they wrote the following (emphasis mine):

“We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it’s stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka…We even brought home a few photographs.

In the same article, Factcheck.org provided links to photographs of the seal and signature found on the back of Obama’s alleged COLB. However, the photographs of the seal’s emblem and text do not show a “raised seal,” at all, they show an ‘incised seal’ – one that is cut into or impressed into the paper:

http://obamasgarden.wordpress.com/2010/12/17/chicago-thugs-vs-the-founders-2/

“I would have thought that a raised seal seen from the front would look like an incised seal from the back but the author below thinks otherwise. I think a comparison with an Hawaiian COLB known to be genuine would be needed to settle the matter.” - dissectleft.blogspot.


181 posted on 12/25/2010 5:26:04 PM PST by anglian
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To: potlatch

That was my reaction. What? He knew them? Very interesting.


182 posted on 12/25/2010 5:30:23 PM PST by I_be_tc
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To: Innovative

Not only was Abercrombie the only congressman to vote against suspending aid to the Jihadi terror group Hamas it is well documented that he is a member of the Democratic Socialist of America, which he publicly denies. The scribd document below contains the DSA member list which clearly list Abercrombie on page two. http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/08/neil-abercrombie-is-socialist-dsaer.html


183 posted on 12/25/2010 5:34:34 PM PST by anglian
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To: Innovative; LucyT
I am posting this in news, because it appeared in the LA Times, and the governor of Hawaii said it in an interview right at the state Capitol.

N.B. in the LA Times print edition, it was on page A1 (and below the fold). I think it's significant that this was a Page One story.

184 posted on 12/25/2010 8:23:40 PM PST by thecodont
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To: anglian
In the same article, Factcheck.org provided links to photographs of the seal and signature found on the back of Obama’s alleged COLB. However, the photographs of the seal’s emblem and text do not show a “raised seal,” at all, they show an ‘incised seal’ – one that is cut into or impressed into the paper:

Custom embossing stamps are easy to order and purchase--just ask a local stationer.

185 posted on 12/25/2010 8:25:13 PM PST by thecodont
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To: wintertime

Given this sentence, you must believe that he will actually run. I see how Obama could slip by with his undocumented status once. Do you honestly believe he could get away with his questionable natural born citizenship twice?


Yes I do.
1) The state of Hawai’i, under a Republican administration verified Obama’s birth in that state and no court has ruled that two American citizen parents are required in order to qualify as a natural born citizen.
2) Now that Hawai’i has a Democratic administration and the new Governor is one of Obama’s closest personal friends, any documentation that Obama may need to run will be provided for him by the state.

I suspect that Obama will try to pick his preferred Republican opponent by having George Soros anonymously funnel money to that candidate so that he or she wins the Republican primaries. I suspect that is how the Republicans ended up with John McCain in 2008, a candidate who already had financial ties to Soros through McCain’s Reform Institute.


186 posted on 12/25/2010 9:10:20 PM PST by jamese777
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To: anglian

Call to Action An apparent lie about Obama’s birth certificate
On August 21, 2008, Factcheck.org published an article, Born in the U.S.A. which they claimed contained “The truth about Obama’s birth certificate.” It turns out, however, that this article contains at least one enormous bold-faced lie.

In June of 2008, an image of an alleged Hawaii Department of Health (HDOH) issued Certification of Live Birth (COLB) belonging to U.S. Presidential candidate Barack Obama was posted online. In response to speculation that the alleged COLB did not contain a ‘raised seal’ or registrar’s signature, Factcheck.org published this article and in it, they wrote the following (emphasis mine):

“We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it’s stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka…We even brought home a few photographs.

In the same article, Factcheck.org provided links to photographs of the seal and signature found on the back of Obama’s alleged COLB. However, the photographs of the seal’s emblem and text do not show a “raised seal,” at all, they show an ‘incised seal’ – one that is cut into or impressed into the paper:

http://obamasgarden.wordpress.com/2010/12/17/chicago-thugs-vs-the-founders-2/

“I would have thought that a raised seal seen from the front would look like an incised seal from the back but the author below thinks otherwise. I think a comparison with an Hawaiian COLB known to be genuine would be needed to settle the matter.” - dissectleft.blogspot.


Dr. Alvin T. Onaka, Registrar of Vital Statistics for the state of Hawai’i is alive and well and he is perfectly capable of being asked at a news conference or under oath at a congressional or grand jury investigation if there is any significance to the difference in appearance of the seals.
I suspect that all that we are dealing with is a scanned image issue.
When the Director of Health for the state of Hawai’i testified under oath before the Hawai’i state Senate’s Committee on the Judiciary and Government Operations, she confirmed the legitimacy of Obama’s internet posted COLB.
Dr. Chiyome Fukino testified that: “For more than a year, the Department of Health has continued to receive approximately 50 e-mail inquiries a month seeking access to President Barack Obama’s birth certificate IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS POSTED A COPY OF THE CERTIFICATE ON HIS FORMER CAMPAIGN WEBSITE.

Hawaii is a “closed records” state, meaning that vital records are available only to those with a direct and tangible interest as defined by statute; hence, they are not subject to disclosure under public records requests.”
February 23, 2010.


187 posted on 12/25/2010 9:24:16 PM PST by jamese777
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To: wintertime

This isn’t about getting rid of Obama. Never has been for me. If he is a natural born citizen he has every right to be president. Personally, I would not support any efforts to impeach him.
It’s about the rule of law and the Constitution. Having a usurper as president undermines both.


Usurpers don’t run in primary elections and get nominated by a major political party, garner 69 million votes in a general election, have their Electoral College votes certified by the Vice President of the major opposition party without objection from any of 535 members of Congress and then get sworn in by a Chief Justice appointed by a President from the opposing major party. Usurpers don’t have members of both major parties voting for key elements of their domestic and foreign policy agenda.
I think you need to look up the definition of the word “usurper” in a good dictionary.

No court of law and no action of Congress has found Obama to be ineligible to hold office. If any official body had ruled Obama to be ineligible or illegitimately elected and he refused to relinquish the office, then he would be a usurper.


188 posted on 12/25/2010 9:36:26 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777
Well...Since it's soooooo straight forward and above board, release the long form birth certificate and few other common but key documents.

1) Fact: Citizens have politely asked Obama to prove with the best evidence that he is a natural born citizen. Some have been military officers.

2) It is a **simple** matter to prove one’s natural born citizenship. A **real** American natural born citizen and president would be HONORED to do that.

3)Fact: Obama refuses.

4)Fact: No wonder such large percentages of the population have questions! I bet our nation's enemies do, too!

189 posted on 12/25/2010 9:45:02 PM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: wintertime

Well...Since it’s soooooo straight forward and above board, release the long form birth certificate and few other common but key documents.
1) Fact: Citizens have politely asked Obama to prove with the best evidence that he is a natural born citizen. Some have been military officers.

2) It is a **simple** matter to prove one’s natural born citizenship. A **real** American natural born citizen and president would be HONORED to do that.

3)Fact: Obama refuses.

4)Fact: No wonder such large percentages of the population have questions! I bet our nation’s enemies do, too!


This thread is about an article which says that the new Governor of Hawai’i is hoping to do just what you ask for.
The previous Hawaii administration refused over and over again to release any confidential birth records concerning Obama.


190 posted on 12/25/2010 9:59:13 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777

“A certified copy of Obama’s birth records can be obtained via subpoena. Hawaii Revised Statutes 338-18(b)(9) permit release of a confidential birth record to: “a person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction”

A certified birth certificate is nothing more than a certified record which contains: Place of birth, hospital of birth, attending physician.
What is so important about obama’s certificate that has required a teams( at a cost of over 2 million dollars) of attorneys fighting since January 2008 to make sure that a copy never is released to the public?
A reasonable person would assume that there is something about that “document “ that obama can never allow to be released.
There is more evidence that obama was born in Kenya than Hawaii, but it is unlikely that any judge will accept the information as evidence.


191 posted on 12/26/2010 8:48:08 AM PST by omegadawn (qualified)
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To: omegadawn

A certified birth certificate is nothing more than a certified record which contains: Place of birth, hospital of birth, attending physician.
What is so important about obama’s certificate that has required a teams( at a cost of over 2 million dollars) of attorneys fighting since January 2008 to make sure that a copy never is released to the public?
A reasonable person would assume that there is something about that “document “ that obama can never allow to be released.
There is more evidence that obama was born in Kenya than Hawaii, but it is unlikely that any judge will accept the information as evidence.


What part of a birth record can be released WITHOUT OBAMA’S PERMISSION via a subpoena, didn’t you understand?

There is NO evidence that Obama was born in Kenya other than a forged internet document that got the dates of Kenya’s becoming a republic wrong and turned out to be a copy of an Australian man’s birth certificate.

As a federal judge said: “A spurious claim questioning the president’s constitutional legitimacy may be protected by the First Amendment, but a Court’s placement of its imprimatur upon A CLAIM THAT IS SO LACKING IN FACTUAL SUPPORT THAT IT IS FRIVOLOUS would undoubtedly disserve the public interest.”—US District Court Judge Clay R. Land, September 16, 2009 “Rhodes v MacDonald”

And another federal judge said: “This is one of several such suits brought by Ms. Taitz in her quixotic attempt to prove that President Obama is not a natural born citizen as required by the Constitution. This Court is not willing to go tilting at windmills with her.”—Chief US District Court Judge for the District of Columbia, Royce C. Lamberth, April 15, 2010, “Taitz v Obama.”

I guess under the omegadawn theory, there are no judges in America who are “rational persons.”

A grand jury investigation would allow for Obama’s birth records to be subpoenaed, it would allow testimony from officials in Kenya, Indonesia and Hawaii, and it would allow document authentification experts to examine Obama’s original birth records. In the nearly four years since Obama announced his intention to run for President (February 10, 2007) no one has bothered to convene a grand jury investigation and since Watergate, every investigation of the presidency has been conducted by a Grand Jury.


192 posted on 12/26/2010 10:00:36 AM PST by jamese777
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To: Vendome

On the other hand I can certainly imagine today’s Dem movers and shakers all being part of a close knit group of commies/socialists/whatever.


193 posted on 12/27/2010 8:59:21 PM PST by MetaThought
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