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Oil refineries sue EPA over ethanol plan
GOPUSA ^ | January 4, 2011 | Ken Thomas (Associated Press)

Posted on 01/04/2011 8:03:13 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

WASHINGTON (AP) — A ruling by the Obama administration allowing the sale of gasoline containing 15 percent ethanol is running into legal hurdles from trade groups opposing the plan.

The National Petrochemical and Refiners Association sued the Environmental Protection Agency on Monday over the decision to allow the sale of gasoline containing higher blends of corn-based ethanol, the second major group to protest the ruling.

The Obama administration said in October that gas stations could start selling the ethanol blend for vehicles built since the 2007 model year, increasing it from the current blend of 10 percent ethanol.

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To: Mr. Lucky

Why are you focusing only on income taxes?

Other taxes were created for this industry that results in lower income left to tax.

It is like claiming you have no money and emptying your right pocket while ignoring the wallet in your left.


101 posted on 01/05/2011 9:16:41 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Venturer

If you are near a lake, or ocean, look for marine gas stations. I think they tend to sell only E0 pure gas.

Also, check the message forums on the GasBuddy website’s state or local page. Start with GasBuddy.com, go to your state page, and perhaps local page. Then go to the message forums. There should be a thread on ethanol free stations in that state/local area.

I had a pure gas station a mile from my house. But they recently caved and moved to E10. I told them they lost my business, because while everyone else has E10 too, they were/are always more expensive than everyone else.

I did find another station way across town that is E0, but they are even more expensive, and out of the way of my normal travels. I may go there for my small engine needs, but doubt I’ll go much to fill up the car.


102 posted on 01/05/2011 9:30:39 AM PST by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: seemoAR; Dudoight
My Ethanol free gas station isn’t on the list either.

You and I can list a station that advertises 100% ethanol gasoline. It takes about 10 minutes following the directions.It is helpful to read all the information about a station that is on the list before adding another.

I have listed a couple.

About 6 months ago there were 8 locations that sold ethanol free gasoline listed at Pure-Gas.org for the entire state of Missouri. Today there are 42.

There are several more that cater to boating enthusiasts that are not on the list as well as those that only advertise on their small street side billboards.

103 posted on 01/05/2011 9:42:59 AM PST by TYVets
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To: Mr. Lucky

...the company’s tax figure for 2009 was heavily influenced by a holdover tax issue from 2008 that was technically recorded on its 2009 books. “ExxonMobil was required to bolster its pension plan by $3 billion when the market went down in 2008,” wrote CAP’s Sima J. Gandhi. “This overpayment reduced the amount of taxes owed in 2008, but the tax adjustment wasn’t made until one year later, which led to an overpayment and the refund in 2009.”

The three-year tax numbers listed on the 10-K do seem to suggest that the company’s 2009 tax bill was unusual. In 2007 and 2008, the equivalent tax totals on the 10-K were $4.5 billion and $3.4 billion, respectively, which suggests that some unusual factor reduced the ExxonMobil tax bill into negative territory for 2009.

While the company is not obligated to publicize its tax return, and thus the actual amount it paid in taxes, ExxonMobil has voluntarily released a figure for its actual federal income tax bill in response to media requests that questioned why the company reported a negative tax liability in 2009. Jeffers told PolitiFact that the “U.S. income tax expense for 2009 activities was approximately $500 million.” The company declined to provide documentation for this number, however.

U.S. income taxes aren’t the only taxes ExxonMobil paid

According to the 10-K, ExxonMobil remitted $6.3 billion in sales taxes, $110 million in state income taxes, and $1.5 billion in “other taxes and duties.” All told, the company’s tax liability according to its 10-K was $7.7 billion. (These numbers are not necessarily totals actually paid but derived using generally accepted accounting principles.) And that only counts taxes paid in the U.S. It paid an additional $70 billion-plus in taxes to foreign governments in 2009, $15 billion of which was for income taxes.

more at:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/dec/10/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-filibuster-exxon-mobil/


104 posted on 01/05/2011 9:56:17 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: bert
The solution is to run the motors out of gas. ,,,,,,,, When the job is done, let the motor run until the gas runs out.

My outboard motor dealer advises me there is sensor that cuts off the fuel injection pump before it runs dry on my 2008 fishing motor. He recommends Sea Foam to be added to the tank of this motor.(no he does sell Sea Foam, the O'Reily Automotive Stores do sell it)

He charges $85 per hour for repairs, I tend to follow his directions.

105 posted on 01/05/2011 9:58:12 AM PST by TYVets
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To: thackney

Ethanol is a scam and plain out harmful to the environment, is a very poor way to create energy, let it die already.


106 posted on 01/05/2011 9:58:27 AM PST by Scythian
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To: Scythian

I’m all for dropping the ethanol mandates and subsidies. If it can stand on its own, let it.


107 posted on 01/05/2011 10:04:32 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: bert
, bert wrote: "The solution is to run the motors out of gas. Don’t fill them or pour the unused gas out. When the job is done, let the motor run until the gas runs out."

BAD IDEA OR ADVICE! Running a small engine out of gas is extremely damaging to the cylinder and piston! The run way too lean for too long before the gas and oil finally runs out. In 4 cycles, it is also very damaging. When they lean out, they exceed normal exhaust gas temperatures. This burns valves, damages heads and even can cause detonation. (Blow holes in the top of the piston) Doing this will trash a motor faster that running it on 10% Ethanol by any means!

108 posted on 01/05/2011 10:09:52 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP ( Give me Liberty, or give me an M-24A2!)
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To: bert
.(no he does sell Sea Foam, the O'Reily Automotive Stores do sell it).

Correction: (NO, HE DOES NOT sell Sea Foam, the O'Reily Automotive Stores do sell it).

My bad, sorry.

109 posted on 01/05/2011 10:19:40 AM PST by TYVets
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To: CodeJockey

Your attention is directed to post #95.


110 posted on 01/05/2011 10:37:11 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: thackney
I’m all for dropping the ethanol mandates and subsidies. If it can stand on its own, let it.

Your simple statement says it all and should be repeated again and again.

111 posted on 01/05/2011 10:40:19 AM PST by TYVets
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To: thackney
I’m all for dropping the ethanol mandates and subsidies. If it can stand on its own, let it.

Your simple statement says it all and should be repeated again and again.

112 posted on 01/05/2011 10:40:19 AM PST by TYVets
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To: TYVets

That double post is ironic.


113 posted on 01/05/2011 10:52:36 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

It was no accident


114 posted on 01/05/2011 10:55:42 AM PST by TYVets
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To: Mr. Lucky

If you ever come across a comparison of whole corn versus DDG for feeding, I would appreciate the link to read.


115 posted on 01/05/2011 10:57:28 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Hiryusan

******* “On diesels, the EPA’s particulate matter regulations have really done a number on trucks and heavy diesels the last few years. Some companies (including Mitsubishi) have actually halted production of trucks for the US market until the EPA got its regs finalized to a point where something could be designed to comply with it. Then the regs will change again.” *******

The low sulfur diesel just increases the cost at the pump ... Like everybody else that wants to preserve and extend the life of their diesel engines we use additives to replace what the Refinery is forced to remove. So again all the Govt (EPA) has accomplished is raising prices and increasing the regulations and therefore increasing their power and making us pay for the privilege.

TT


116 posted on 01/05/2011 11:12:31 AM PST by TexasTransplant (I don't mind liberals... I hate liars...there just tends to be a high degree of overlap)
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To: thackney

I’m not so good at posting links, but if you were to Google on “ruminal acidosis” you should find several explanations as to the health risks to cattle and sheep from high starch diets. There was a University of Nebraska study from a few years back that you will probably find by searching on “feeding of corn milling co-byproducts to beef cattle”.


117 posted on 01/05/2011 11:33:14 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: thackney
That part of Gap in still Chester Co. I found the station. It is no longer Shell. Does sell 100% gas, but the price was $3.55 per gallon.
Couldn't afford that so I went down Rte 30 to Parkesburg and filled up at the Sunoco station that I usually go to.
118 posted on 01/05/2011 11:34:05 AM PST by mickie
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To: Mr. Lucky

I’m not denying DDG is a better feed. But the reality is direct corn as feed is a common source.

What I would like to understand and use in some Mathematical comparisons, is the volume of DDG that would replace what volume of corn when used for feed.


119 posted on 01/05/2011 11:59:54 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: TYVets

Good luck. Maybe there is a way for us peons to fight back. Tell everyone you know about the crappy gas and how to check it.

A small station might change suppliers often so I would be careful.


120 posted on 01/05/2011 12:22:18 PM PST by seemoAR
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