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Jared Loughner's behavior never reported to mental health authorities (What did the sheriff know?)
washington post ^ | 1/10/2011 | By Brigid Schulte

Posted on 01/10/2011 2:54:43 PM PST by tobyhill

Despite mounting concerns about his bizarre and disturbing behavior, local mental health authorities in Pima County, Ariz. said Monday that no one reported any concerns to them about Tucson mass shooting suspect Jared Lee Loughner.

Loughner is accused of shooting 20 people on Saturday, killing six and wounding 14, including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D).

"To the best of our knowledge, he was never and is currently not enrolled in our system," said Neal Cash, president of the Community Partnership of Southern Arizona, the organization that provides mental health services to Tucson and Pima County for the state.

The majority of the people they serve are on Medicare, Cash said, but anyone diagnosed with a serious mental illness would be in their system and eligible for services. Despite severe cutbacks in the state mental health budget as a result of the foreclosure crisis and recession - Cash estimates around $50 million has been cut in the last two fiscal years - he said that no one diagnosed seriously mentally ill has been turned down for services.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: clarencedupnik; dupnik; giffords; mentalillness
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To: VeniVidiVici
Thank you!!

Do all states have these?

Can only LEOs file the forms?

I wonder if the public can find out if forms have been filed with such an authority?

Amazing what you learn....

21 posted on 01/10/2011 3:13:41 PM PST by hennie pennie
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To: tobyhill

You have no idea how many of SMI people like these are out on the streets because of lack of funding to Mental Health Clinics.
My wife was a case manager in AZ for such a public clinic that would supervise such people. She lost her job because they had to cut staff because of lack of funds.
Remember the guy a couple years ago that killed a couple policemen and others in (I think it was) Tacoma Washington? He was homicidal and had been out on the streets.
We have a choice to make here. Either fund these places so these types can be kept an eye on or ignore them. Oh and BTW. These people are often quite intelligent and most are harmless. Yet when they are not supervised and quit taking their meds because they think they feel fine, they go off.


22 posted on 01/10/2011 3:14:37 PM PST by crz
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To: tobyhill
Dollars to dough nuts this guy was a regular at the DailyKos and the other leftist rags. I don't know how to find out, but I suspect someone will.
23 posted on 01/10/2011 3:14:44 PM PST by Rashputin (Barry is totally insane and being kept medicated and on golf courses to hide the fact)
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To: cicero2k

The blogger states that many people who had received DEATH THREATS from Jerry Loughner called them into the cops, and NOTHING happened.


24 posted on 01/10/2011 3:15:19 PM PST by hennie pennie
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To: tobyhill

It was stated earlier the sheriff told the people who were threatened by this POS that the mental health authorities were on it and further action was not needed.....did he just flat out lie?


25 posted on 01/10/2011 3:15:33 PM PST by Todddives02 (Good site to compare '04 results to this year.)
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To: Rashputin

He posted at the conspiratorial website ABOVE TOP SECRET using the moniker: erad3


26 posted on 01/10/2011 3:17:01 PM PST by hennie pennie
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To: hennie pennie
Ah. Here we go. It was in even in that doc that I posted a few minutes ago.

ADHS/DBHS FORM MH-100 APPLICATION FOR INVOLUNTARY EVALUATION, (Pursuant to A.R.S. § 36-520)

Sheriff Dupnik damn well did know this kid. He has tried so hard to pin this on Republicans the past few days that he's already admitted that Loughner was known to them. The kid was even kicked out of school, not to be readmitted until "a mental evaluation" is completed. Pima County authorities, Dupnik, have known for awhile what this kid was capable of. The blood is on THEIR hands!

27 posted on 01/10/2011 3:17:43 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (My baloney has a first name, it's DEMOCRAT; my baloney has a second name, it's PARTY)
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To: dogcaller

The sheriff has stated that his dept. was aware of previous death threats made by Loughner to others in the past. Those “others” were told by the sheriff’s office that Loughner was being monitored by mental health athorities and presented no danger.


28 posted on 01/10/2011 3:18:17 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: CrazyIvan

Wasn’t his mother a county employee?


29 posted on 01/10/2011 3:18:26 PM PST by Dusty Road
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To: hennie pennie
Do all states have these?

Can only LEOs file the forms?

Not sure about all states. Florida does. It is nicknamed "The Baker Act". Maybe after the guy who submitted the bill? Or maybe the name of a whacked out guy that they named it after. It's even been made into a verb as in "He was Baker Acted".

Florida allows involuntary commitment for evaluation for a period of 72 hours. I think anybody can petition for a Baker Act, not just LE, but not sure of the exact requirements for Florida.

30 posted on 01/10/2011 3:22:11 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (My baloney has a first name, it's DEMOCRAT; my baloney has a second name, it's PARTY)
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To: weef
The sheriff somehow knew the correct pronunciation of Loughner's name: Lock-ner

Nice catch!

31 posted on 01/10/2011 3:23:25 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (My baloney has a first name, it's DEMOCRAT; my baloney has a second name, it's PARTY)
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To: tobyhill

More on this dangerous faux Sheriff:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2654534/posts?page=1

Gotcha Sheriff Clarence “Jackas*” Dupnik
Market-ticker ^ | 1/10/11 | Karl Denninger

Posted on Monday, January 10, 2011 2:14:55 PM by Revel

Oh, you better hope this is not true:

“The sheriff has been editorializing and politicizing the event since he took the podium to report on the incident. His blaming of radio personalities and bloggers is a pre-emptive strike because Mr. Dupnik knows this tragedy lays at his feet and his office. Six people died on his watch and he could have prevented it. He needs to step up and start apologizing to the families of the victims instead of spinning this event to serve his own political agenda.”

What have I been saying? That in point of fact the Sheriff had every opportunity to stop this assault by actually enforcing the law and didn’t do so.
Well now the truth is alleged to be this..... it’s much worse, it appears, than anyone thought:

“Jared Loughner has been making death threats by phone to many people in Pima County including staff of Pima Community College, radio personalities and local bloggers. When Pima County Sheriff’s Office was informed, his deputies assured the victims that he was being well managed by the mental health system. It was also suggested that further pressing of charges would be unnecessary and probably cause more problems than it solved as Jared Loughner has a family member that works for Pima County. Amy Loughner is a Natural Resource specialist for the Pima County Parks and Recreation.”

What’s your response to this Mr. Dupnik? A bit of truth comes out, eh? Exactly how many felonies did you decline to investigate and prosecute? Are you going to slink away from the white-hot light of truth or will you “man up” and admit that your scurrilous allegations were disseminated simply to try to save your own hide from the entirely-appropriate wrath at the ballot box that is certain to ensue come next election?
The suspect didn’t just post one threat on an Internet forum and there wasn’t “just one” incident - it’s alleged here that he made multiple death threats against the staff of the college he was ejected from, radio personalities and local bloggers.
Each and every one of those threats was an offense and had just one of them been prosecuted it would have resulted in the suspect being blacklisted in the NICS database - and thus he would not have been able to buy the gun he shot the people in Tuscon with.

And before you go off on this guy and his blog being some sort of nut, here’s the credentials from his page:

James Kelley is a native of Tucson, born here in 1961. A Navy veteran, he graduated twice from the Defense Language Institute in Monterey CA majoring in Albanian and Persian-Farsi. He was a Balkan area, Middle East North Africa, Southwest Asia, and Gulf Area analyst for the Naval Security Group and the National Security Agency. He received his Bachelor of Science in Sociology from the University of the State of New York, Albany. Since leaving the service he has worked as a premium cruise line representative, telecommunications specialist, real estate broker, and as a substitute teacher in local school districts.

Presently, Mr. Kelley is a contributing columnist for the Arizona News-Telegraph and the Executive Director of SocialNetworkingWatchdog.Org, a 501(c)3 non-profit organization dedicated to educating youth and seniors on personal security while using social networking.

Does Arizona have a recall process for so-called “elected officials” who behave like this and refuse to accept responsibility for their conduct - including but not limited to blaming others for their own failures that result in the death of innocent people? How about some sort of impeachment procedure? If you don’t, you need both - right now.
Best-a-luck in the next election Sheriff.

You’re gonna need it.


32 posted on 01/10/2011 3:28:39 PM PST by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: Dusty Road

“Amy Loughner is a Natural Resource specialist for the Pima County Parks and Recreation. “

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2654488/posts


33 posted on 01/10/2011 3:28:46 PM PST by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: cicero2k
There are things said here on FR that could get the writer and the venue in trouble.

The sheriff stated he was aware of threats the kid had made. LE was familiar with him, etc. The sheriff dropped the ball big time.

If threats were made and the sheriff did not act on them, he has to answer to that.

34 posted on 01/10/2011 3:29:35 PM PST by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: Todddives02
Sure he lied. He was just trying to pacify the complainants.
35 posted on 01/10/2011 3:29:51 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

who decides who is nuts?

Obama?
Media Matters?

I think this sherriff should have investigated and at least filed a report. He should have also done his press conference with a little more truth and less CYA.

I am curious at to what was in those reports. Was he only attending rallies and making comments or was he making real threats.

Be careful folks, this will be easy to moph into “believing in the 2nd amendment makes you a creadible crazy person.”


36 posted on 01/10/2011 3:33:32 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: cicero2k
Short of having Law Enforcement monitoring social networks and private e-mail, I don't know how they should have been screening for this guy.

Oh, I don't know, maybe the repeated death threats that they investigated?

37 posted on 01/10/2011 3:34:24 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Ann Archy

The “boy’s” mama works for the county.


38 posted on 01/10/2011 3:34:30 PM PST by Ingtar (If Washington and his peers had been RINOs, we would still be a British colony.)
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To: the rifleman; 356SC; chiller; 20yearvet; S.O.S121.500; Kokojmudd; Rain-maker; Shroom duchess; ...
“What did the Sheriff know? More than he is saying.”

YOU BETCHA! And I hope all the Tucson folks who received phone and letter threats from the killer and reported them to the Sheriff's dept. will come forward! The killer could have easily been stopped if the Sheriff was doing his job!

Please read the following and spread far and wide! This needs to be investigated NOW!

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=2350851

39 posted on 01/10/2011 3:35:01 PM PST by seekthetruth (My 2012 Dream Ticket: Jim DeMint / Allen West (Sarah as Press Sec! :))
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To: tobyhill

40 posted on 01/10/2011 3:35:30 PM PST by Libloather (Teapublican, PROUD birther, mobster, pro-lifer, anti-warmer, enemy of the state, extremist....)
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