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Mohler takes on 'theistic evolution'
Associated Baptist Press ^ | January 13, 2011 | Bob Allen

Posted on 01/16/2011 4:09:10 PM PST by balch3

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To: Ira_Louvin; BenKenobi

Hey Ben, did I nail it or not? LOL! :-D


61 posted on 01/16/2011 7:03:40 PM PST by angryoldfatman
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Did the Hebrews think Yom was a twenty-four hour period?

evidences within the Bible for long days?

Other than Yom, there are clues in the Bible that indicate long days?


62 posted on 01/16/2011 7:03:59 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (Palin '12 begins in '11. In western New Hampshire pour moi.)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

I think we should all dust off our old astrophysics text books and come up with all revamped theories.


63 posted on 01/16/2011 7:06:29 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (Palin '12 begins in '11. In western New Hampshire pour moi.)
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To: BenKenobi
"We see discontinuities. It’s not a straight gradual process like erosion, where over time one species becomes another. We see dead ends, reversions, regressions, etc. We see spikes and peaks and valleys."

Have you ever read ReMine's book, 'The Biotic Message'? It contains similar observations. It helped me see how the evolutionists constantly move the goalposts around depending on which claim is being addressed.

64 posted on 01/16/2011 7:07:57 PM PST by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: GourmetDan

No, I haven’t read that book in particular but I have read similar books.


65 posted on 01/16/2011 7:11:08 PM PST by BenKenobi
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To: Alamo-Girl

Can you reconcile Mohler and your relativity of time and location theory?


66 posted on 01/16/2011 7:16:11 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: LomanBill; PastorJimCM
"Plant growth is a process that results in a net gain in order; and that process (photosynthesis) is powered by energy (sun light) made available via nuclear decay within the Sun."

Unfortunately Bill, plant growth is the result of the information present in plant DNA and the order present in plant cellular structure using that energy. Without that, no order is 'transferred' from the sun to the earth.

And, the power source of the sun is assumed to be nuclear fusion. Not typically referred to as 'nuclear decay'.

"The Sun decays, and plants grow - all obediently within the laws of Thermodynamics."

Yes, it's that plant DNA and those cellular processes that you just assume have evolved that make all the difference. That is the fallacy of affirming the consequent, however. We don't see plants being spontaneously generated because of electromagnetic energy received from the sun. What we do see is that evolutionary believers start quoting facts that don't even support their beliefs without engaging in logical fallacy.

67 posted on 01/16/2011 7:18:42 PM PST by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: BenKenobi

Genesis 1:1 says “in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth”. The “world that then was” was destroyed. From Genesis 1:2 God is reforming the world. Look up the Gap between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2.


68 posted on 01/16/2011 7:19:19 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: P-Marlowe

But since every one of their hypothesis turned out to be bogus or impossible they decided to drop the “evolutionary origin of life” and pretend that they never taught it. Classic Liberalism. Deny the truth.


Exactly. What did they think Watson & Crick and Urey & Miller were trying to do? They started out with the protoplasm (”goo in a sack”) theory of the cell and tried to get from goo to something that processed biochemicals.

They wound up with more complications they could ever imagine.

Especially Watson and Crick. Imagine their surprise when they were looking for a ragtag bunch of molecules and found a veritable spiral Jacob’s Ladder! Hell, Francis Crick found the DNA double helix so awe-inspiringly non-random that he attributed its construction to aliens!


69 posted on 01/16/2011 7:19:47 PM PST by angryoldfatman
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To: BenKenobi

I would recommend it. I never read a ‘similar’ book. It was quite unusual in approach and degree of documentation. You can get it on Amazon for just a few bucks.


70 posted on 01/16/2011 7:21:17 PM PST by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

“Through experience we have found that these threads usually leads to endless exchanges that have no impact upon each other’s beliefs. If you are a young earth creation science believer wishing to argue your cause, your post will be read, but in most cases no response will be given.”

- paraphrasing Greg Neyman, geologist, M.A. Liberty University


71 posted on 01/16/2011 7:23:05 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (Palin '12 begins in '11. In western New Hampshire pour moi.)
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To: GourmetDan

I’ll take your word for it. Added to my homepage.


72 posted on 01/16/2011 7:24:39 PM PST by BenKenobi
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To: campaignPete R-CT
"I am just too perplexed about the background radiation, etc. that only took 5000 years to get to us, which means it was in suspended animation at the beginning of the universe. Is it now a static universe again, or is it expanding?"

The 'background' radiation may be as simple as the temperature of a hydrogen cloud that is cosmologically 'local'. It is an assumption that it represents 'backgroung' radiation from the big bang.

This highlights a huge problem with philosophical naturalists. They are very poor at acknowledging alternative explanations, preferring to present the most commonly-accepted story as 'fact' until observations force the collapse of the theory and a new commonly-accepted story becomes a new 'fact', ad infinitum.

It's how science 'works', doncha know.

73 posted on 01/16/2011 7:30:22 PM PST by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: BenKenobi

If you don’t have time for it, that’s fine.

But don’t take my word for it.

Search it out for yourself.


74 posted on 01/16/2011 7:32:43 PM PST by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: GourmetDan

no. I doncha know.

that would be evil. Deception is evil. So Science is evil. Didn’t know.


75 posted on 01/16/2011 7:35:26 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (Palin '12 begins in '11. In western New Hampshire pour moi.)
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To: BenKenobi
In order to test whether evolution can occur in a closed system, it would have to be replicated. Since it has not been replicated, until it does, we cannot say that ‘evolution only requires local order’.

That objection doesn't make sense. Order is either local or global. If evolution required global order to increase, that would be identical to saying that it required time to run backwards. Therefore, if evolution requires any kind of order to increase, it can only require local order to increase.

To speak concretely, the objection is to (e.g.) non-living matter organizing itself into living matter. That's a local increase in order, but is not ruled out by the 2nd Law because there is a net input of energy to the system; it's not closed.

Which is why the 2nd Law is still applicable unless proven that evolution only requires local order, and somehow increases general disorder in a system.

Everything that happens increases general disorder in a closed system. (If it doesn't, it doesn't happen. "Time passes" is another way of saying "the total disorder of the universe [or any other closed system] increases".)

The 2nd Law argument is a bad one, and shouldn't be used.

76 posted on 01/16/2011 7:38:21 PM PST by Campion
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To: angryoldfatman

77 posted on 01/16/2011 7:38:33 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (Palin '12 begins in '11. In western New Hampshire pour moi.)
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To: Campion

“If evolution required global order to increase, that would be identical to saying that it required time to run backwards.”

Which is why people are arguing that evolution violates the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.

It applies not only to the creation of living organisms but also to the increase in complexity observed in living organisms over time.

I happen to like the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics as an argument, because it’s easy enough to understand. It also raises the question, if evolutionary theory is in fact correct, how do they explain this?


78 posted on 01/16/2011 7:44:07 PM PST by BenKenobi
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To: aruanan

That must have been quite a school! It had first editions of the whole panoply of evolutionary writers who apparently devised the theory of evolution an entire century before Darwin and Wallace. It’s a shame you never attempted to read some of them - of course, they were do doubt over your head...


79 posted on 01/16/2011 7:44:35 PM PST by stormer
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To: balch3; All

The creation-evolution conflict in historical perspective
http://evolutionarychristianity.com/blog/general/ted-davis-the-creation-evolution-conflict-in-historical-perspective/


80 posted on 01/16/2011 7:45:17 PM PST by Matchett-PI (Trent Lott on Tea Party candidates: "As soon as they get here, we need to co-opt them" 7/19/10)
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