[vladimir998]

You wrote:

“I’d give the credit to Subutai. Had Ögedei Khan not died when he died, Subutai would have turned on teh Holy roman Empire, and conquered everything up the English Channel.”

Maybe. Fighting through German and French forests is harder than on the eastern plains. The Magyars found out about that. But I would credit God rather than Subutai. He decides when to take Mongol khans out of the picture.

[justa-hairyape]

Fighting through German and French forests is harder than on the eastern plains.

Though they won every fight, The Mongols were taking higher then normal casualties when they attacked Central Europe. And since their fighters were trained from close to birth, they could not afford those high casualties.

[Rebelbase]

“But I would credit God rather than Subutai. He decides when to take Mongol khans out of the picture.”

The exact thing my brother said last night when we were discussing this.

He said the same thing will happen to the Chicoms at the appropriate moment.

[rmlew]

The Mongols invaded Vietnam and forced it to become a tributary for 2 generations. The second and third invasions were failures, but the Vietnamese still accepted vassalage. Arguably, they did better than we did.
They also conquered Volga Bulgaria and the Mari Finns in the forests. The Mongols may not have been as efficient in forests as in the steppe, but they could get the job done.