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Michele Bachmann on Slavery, Hank Johnson on Guam "capsizing"
1/25/2010 | vanity

Posted on 01/25/2011 4:59:15 PM PST by WilliamHouston

This is my first vanity ever.

I'm sitting here watching Chris Matthews jump down the throat of some poor Republican about Michele Bachmann saying that the Founders abolished slavery.

Several thoughts occur to me:

(1) From the Revolution to the death of Jefferson and Adams, slavery was abolished in almost every Northern state, and was in fact "abolished" by the Founders in the Midwestern states by the Northwest Ordinance of 1787.

Lincoln repeatedly cited the Northwest Ordinance as proof that the Founders invested in Congress the authority to abolish slavery in the territories.

(2) Chris Matthews claimed that slavery was abolished "during the Civil War." The Thirteenth Amendment was passed several months into the Reconstruction era.

(3) His guest Joan Walsh of Salon.com claimed that White men were excluded from voting by property restrictions until 1830.

Actually, Rhode Island and South Carolina held out on universal suffrage much longer than that. The Dorr Rebellion in Rhode Island happened in 1841.

(4) I didn't see Chris Matthews preaching about the "ignorance" of Democrats when Rep. Hank Johnson, a Democrat from the Atlanta area, famously worried that the island of Guam might "capsize."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs23CjIWMgA


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1 posted on 01/25/2011 4:59:16 PM PST by WilliamHouston
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To: WilliamHouston

Saw it also.

He is certifiable. Hopefully Comcast will show him the door ala Keef.


2 posted on 01/25/2011 5:05:23 PM PST by SnuffaBolshevik
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To: WilliamHouston
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Must see YouTube video! (no joke--dead serious!)

March 2010:

Democrat Representative Hank Johnson fears Guam may "tip over" due to overpopulation!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNZczIgVXjg

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If vid should disappear, try this:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=guam+%22Hank+Johnson%22&aq=f

3 posted on 01/25/2011 5:07:05 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: WilliamHouston

Chris Matthews is a fool (possible going senile), but Bachmann put her foot in her mouth. Giving her the benefit of the doubt, it was at least a misstatement.


4 posted on 01/25/2011 5:07:56 PM PST by MrShoop
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To: WilliamHouston
Chrissy has a ‘thang goin’ on’ for Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin. Both women bring on spittle spewing invectives and rising blood pressure. Something inside of Chrissy's head is liable to go POP if he doesn't calm down a bit.
5 posted on 01/25/2011 5:07:56 PM PST by JPG (Work for conservative change like your country depended on it.)
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To: WilliamHouston

Generally speaking it is a bad idea to defend idiocy on your team by pointing to idiocy on the other team. Basically saying “We didn’t think Guam could tip over” doesn’t excuse basic knowledge of our history.

The founders may have intended to eventually bring an end to slavery. That is quite different from saying they actually did it.

Example:
1)They gave women the right to vote.

2)They created the country and the system and laid the foundations for those who would come later and do that.

1) isn’t true. 2) is.


6 posted on 01/25/2011 5:09:29 PM PST by Eyes Unclouded ("The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." -George Carlin)
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To: ETL

Yeah, the “highly educated” Hank Johnson thinks islands float like boats.

What a frikkin’ moron!


7 posted on 01/25/2011 5:12:01 PM PST by Bullish
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I don’t watch him, but why does Breibart post his videos? He’s on there, because he has millionaires funding the network. His ratings have been low for years. In 2003, when Phil Donahue was on MSNBC, Matthews referred to him as an anti-American. He’s an entertainer.


8 posted on 01/25/2011 5:13:05 PM PST by Politics4US
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To: WilliamHouston

H R 77 signed by Thomas Jefferson March 3, 1807 prohibited the importation of slaves into any port or place within the jurisdiction of the United States.

Jefferson was a founding father, he signed the first law banning slavery within the US, so yes, Bachmann was correct.


9 posted on 01/25/2011 5:13:08 PM PST by mnehring
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To: muawiyah
*ping*

What say you?

10 posted on 01/25/2011 5:15:22 PM PST by hennie pennie
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To: Eyes Unclouded

Maybe you should read post #9.


11 posted on 01/25/2011 5:15:59 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: Eyes Unclouded

Maybe you should read post #9.


12 posted on 01/25/2011 5:17:12 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: mnehring

Don’t forget however, that Jefferson himself owned slaves, though he did provide that they be freed upon his death.

Our founding fathers were not gods, just enlightened men. As such, they were fallible. This does not diminish what they did, in fact, makes it more impressive.


13 posted on 01/25/2011 5:20:24 PM PST by ixtl ( I may disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.)
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To: MrShoop
Chris Matthews is a fool (possible going senile)

Don't confuse the disturbed mindset of the lunatic left with senility. They are simply off the wall nuts.

14 posted on 01/25/2011 5:20:26 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: org.whodat

I guess if folks are going to ping to my #9 comment, I should give y’all a link.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/sl004.asp

:)


15 posted on 01/25/2011 5:20:46 PM PST by mnehring
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To: ixtl
This does not diminish what they did, in fact, makes it more impressive.

I agree. They fought against what was the norm at the time. No, they didn't draw a line in the sand like some think, but they did put in place a strong process that did lead to the elimination of slavery. (and to note, very few founders actually were slave owners (you could count on one hand), there were far more overt abolitionists who signed the Constitution). The history of abolition in the founding of our country is long forgotten but very interesting. I would also suggest studying an amazing man named Prince Hall and his part in our founding.

16 posted on 01/25/2011 5:24:45 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring; org.whodat

“Prohibited the importation” of something is not banning it.

If two years ago you said Thomas Jefferson banned slavery with that law I would have to ask you about all the slaves that lived in slavery after 1807.

Since it is the current political climate I’m going to chalk it up to a really strong desire to defend Bachmann.

The optics of these things just plays that way sometimes. Obama can say 57 states or have an uncle in Patton’s army who saved Auschwitz and get away with it. Palin can mention that Alaska and Russia are neighbors (and indeed visible at certain locations) but it gets cast another way.

So I don’t know if thats what this is all about but I think it matters alot more what she says in this speech tonight.

Besides she can always backpedal and say she:
1) mispoke
2) meant to say they layed down the constitutional foundation to end slavery
3) try to expand smaller bans to outright bans


17 posted on 01/25/2011 5:39:46 PM PST by Eyes Unclouded ("The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." -George Carlin)
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To: Eyes Unclouded

It was the beginning of a process and one piece of a large puzzle, at that, it was an important piece- consider it the first domino in a chain. The process of abolition can be traced to a root of this law.

An analogy, to have a farm, you have to plant the first seed. You don’t just say one day ‘bam, farm’ and you have one.


18 posted on 01/25/2011 5:42:53 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

Several Southern colonies tried to ban slavery but the King of England and the royalist merchants in New England would not allow it.

Jefferson wanted the trade and institution banned before there was a country.

Lincoln wanted to conquer the South and gain its riches for the treasury.

Jefferson not Lincoln set in motion the freedom of slaves.


19 posted on 01/25/2011 5:43:16 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: WilliamHouston

The left’s hysterical personal attacks are designed to keep us from discussing the issues.

That ship has sailed. We are onto the left’s tingles and dingles and won’t no part of their sliming of conservatives.


20 posted on 01/25/2011 6:38:35 PM PST by Carley (IDEOLOGY TRUMPS FACTS IN THE LEFT'S QUEST FOR POWER)
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To: Eyes Unclouded
A distinction without a difference, do you have cuts on your fingers from grasping at straws.
21 posted on 01/25/2011 8:33:53 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: hennie pennie
Recalling as I do the Founding of the United States of America shortly after the conclusion of the Revolutionary War, I could not help but notice that we started out as 13 separate and independent sovereign states.

The Treaty of Paris created 13 new countries!

Each one of these independent states had the prerogative of continuing in place the slavery previously imposed on the inhabitants by foreign nations who claimed OWNERSHIP of everybody and everything there.

Or, they could get rid of it.

Or they could waffle.

Massachusetts followed a path of dwadling and misadventure, but ended up discovering they'd abolished slavery earlier only no one noticed: http://www.slavenorth.com/massemancip.htm

Pennsylvania abolished slavery the day the proprietor Penn took over (theoretically). Then, they reacquired it following a line of argument that said it'd never really been abolished properly. By the time of the Revolution there was a well established body of abolitionists in Pennsylvania ready to argue in court, or whenever, on behalf of slaves who wanted loose.

All the other slave-holding Northern States had a similar back and forth ~ for one thing, there was not much economic interest in slavery in the North. Plus, you add to that the decided distaste for slavery engendered in the white population by the Swedes who kidnapped people and transported them toAmerica, as well as limited indenture to pay for transport to America to farm, slavery would never be popular in Pennsylvania!

In the early period after the Treaty of Paris the folks acting in regard to the continuation of slavery were ALL FOUNDERS. They managed to get rid of it IN THE NORTH, and in most of Virginia's Western land claims.

The Virginia trick was first to have Virginia and all other states "donate" or "yield" their colonial era land claims to the federal government (under the Articles of Confederation). Then, when that vast territory was subjected to organization for settlement the next trick was to simply prohibit slavery in any new territory. This affected portions of what are now New York, Pennsylvania, and all of Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin, and portions of Minnesota right up to the Spanish boundary.

The fellows who created the Old Northwest as Free Territory were, of course, among the Founders.

There was less success in the Souf' where slavery had economic advantage.

Leastwise, that's the way I recall it.

Now, going back to that Swedish thing ~ most people are unaware that the early settlers at the New Sweden colony in Delaware were actually put to work in what is now Maryland cutting down trees for the Swedish and British navies.

For the most part those earliest settlers were acquired through the simple expedient of kidnapping entire families of Sa'ami who ventured too far South in the winter. They'd then be transported to America, turned loose, and put to work.

The Finns usually claim these Sa'ami were Finns, but the Sa'ami know better. Numerous family journals reflect their travel from the unpaid treecutting slavery of Maryland to liberty up the Susquehanna in Pennsylvania and New York.

I think most of that slavery was ended as the Sa'ami acquired firearms. No doubt folks like to imagine this never happened but it did.

You know those ol'boys down there at Valley Forge without shoes in winter? Those are the Sa'ami in the 2nd Pennsylvania. And the guys who are out there digging George Washington across the frozen Delaware in a boat to attack the Hessians? Those guys are Sa'ami too.

George would go nowhere without his Marylanders and his Pennsylvanians. The Maryland 400 had, in fact, saved the Army and the Revolution earlier in the withdrawal from New York. This was, by that time wholly their country. Let me assure you most of those guy's Great Grandfathers weren't too clear about where they'd come from but this piece of America was theirs ~ end of the line ~ no more choices ~ and the Brits didn't have a chance.

Ultimately neither did slavery.

22 posted on 01/25/2011 8:39:06 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: WilliamHouston
(4) I didn't see Chris Matthews preaching about the "ignorance" of Democrats when Rep. Hank Johnson, a Democrat from the Atlanta area, famously worried that the island of Guam might "capsize." ...H*ll, he didn't preach when Obama said he was visiting all 57 states - he supported O for president.....
23 posted on 01/25/2011 9:18:44 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: JPG
Chrissy has a ‘thang goin’ on’ for Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin. Both women bring on spittle spewing invectives and rising blood pressure.

It's because he knows he can't have them

24 posted on 01/26/2011 8:00:33 AM PST by murdoog
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To: muawiyah
I thought the boatmen that did the lift for Trenton were Glover's Marblehead Mass regt? Just curious not combating your point which is fascinating.
25 posted on 01/29/2011 3:11:30 PM PST by robowombat
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