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Michele Bachmann on Slavery, Hank Johnson on Guam "capsizing"
1/25/2010 | vanity

Posted on 01/25/2011 4:59:15 PM PST by WilliamHouston

This is my first vanity ever.

I'm sitting here watching Chris Matthews jump down the throat of some poor Republican about Michele Bachmann saying that the Founders abolished slavery.

Several thoughts occur to me:

(1) From the Revolution to the death of Jefferson and Adams, slavery was abolished in almost every Northern state, and was in fact "abolished" by the Founders in the Midwestern states by the Northwest Ordinance of 1787.

Lincoln repeatedly cited the Northwest Ordinance as proof that the Founders invested in Congress the authority to abolish slavery in the territories.

(2) Chris Matthews claimed that slavery was abolished "during the Civil War." The Thirteenth Amendment was passed several months into the Reconstruction era.

(3) His guest Joan Walsh of claimed that White men were excluded from voting by property restrictions until 1830.

Actually, Rhode Island and South Carolina held out on universal suffrage much longer than that. The Dorr Rebellion in Rhode Island happened in 1841.

(4) I didn't see Chris Matthews preaching about the "ignorance" of Democrats when Rep. Hank Johnson, a Democrat from the Atlanta area, famously worried that the island of Guam might "capsize."

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To: Eyes Unclouded
A distinction without a difference, do you have cuts on your fingers from grasping at straws.
21 posted on 01/25/2011 8:33:53 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: hennie pennie
Recalling as I do the Founding of the United States of America shortly after the conclusion of the Revolutionary War, I could not help but notice that we started out as 13 separate and independent sovereign states.

The Treaty of Paris created 13 new countries!

Each one of these independent states had the prerogative of continuing in place the slavery previously imposed on the inhabitants by foreign nations who claimed OWNERSHIP of everybody and everything there.

Or, they could get rid of it.

Or they could waffle.

Massachusetts followed a path of dwadling and misadventure, but ended up discovering they'd abolished slavery earlier only no one noticed:

Pennsylvania abolished slavery the day the proprietor Penn took over (theoretically). Then, they reacquired it following a line of argument that said it'd never really been abolished properly. By the time of the Revolution there was a well established body of abolitionists in Pennsylvania ready to argue in court, or whenever, on behalf of slaves who wanted loose.

All the other slave-holding Northern States had a similar back and forth ~ for one thing, there was not much economic interest in slavery in the North. Plus, you add to that the decided distaste for slavery engendered in the white population by the Swedes who kidnapped people and transported them toAmerica, as well as limited indenture to pay for transport to America to farm, slavery would never be popular in Pennsylvania!

In the early period after the Treaty of Paris the folks acting in regard to the continuation of slavery were ALL FOUNDERS. They managed to get rid of it IN THE NORTH, and in most of Virginia's Western land claims.

The Virginia trick was first to have Virginia and all other states "donate" or "yield" their colonial era land claims to the federal government (under the Articles of Confederation). Then, when that vast territory was subjected to organization for settlement the next trick was to simply prohibit slavery in any new territory. This affected portions of what are now New York, Pennsylvania, and all of Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin, and portions of Minnesota right up to the Spanish boundary.

The fellows who created the Old Northwest as Free Territory were, of course, among the Founders.

There was less success in the Souf' where slavery had economic advantage.

Leastwise, that's the way I recall it.

Now, going back to that Swedish thing ~ most people are unaware that the early settlers at the New Sweden colony in Delaware were actually put to work in what is now Maryland cutting down trees for the Swedish and British navies.

For the most part those earliest settlers were acquired through the simple expedient of kidnapping entire families of Sa'ami who ventured too far South in the winter. They'd then be transported to America, turned loose, and put to work.

The Finns usually claim these Sa'ami were Finns, but the Sa'ami know better. Numerous family journals reflect their travel from the unpaid treecutting slavery of Maryland to liberty up the Susquehanna in Pennsylvania and New York.

I think most of that slavery was ended as the Sa'ami acquired firearms. No doubt folks like to imagine this never happened but it did.

You know those ol'boys down there at Valley Forge without shoes in winter? Those are the Sa'ami in the 2nd Pennsylvania. And the guys who are out there digging George Washington across the frozen Delaware in a boat to attack the Hessians? Those guys are Sa'ami too.

George would go nowhere without his Marylanders and his Pennsylvanians. The Maryland 400 had, in fact, saved the Army and the Revolution earlier in the withdrawal from New York. This was, by that time wholly their country. Let me assure you most of those guy's Great Grandfathers weren't too clear about where they'd come from but this piece of America was theirs ~ end of the line ~ no more choices ~ and the Brits didn't have a chance.

Ultimately neither did slavery.

22 posted on 01/25/2011 8:39:06 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: WilliamHouston
(4) I didn't see Chris Matthews preaching about the "ignorance" of Democrats when Rep. Hank Johnson, a Democrat from the Atlanta area, famously worried that the island of Guam might "capsize." ...H*ll, he didn't preach when Obama said he was visiting all 57 states - he supported O for president.....
23 posted on 01/25/2011 9:18:44 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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Chrissy has a ‘thang goin’ on’ for Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin. Both women bring on spittle spewing invectives and rising blood pressure.

It's because he knows he can't have them

24 posted on 01/26/2011 8:00:33 AM PST by murdoog
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To: muawiyah
I thought the boatmen that did the lift for Trenton were Glover's Marblehead Mass regt? Just curious not combating your point which is fascinating.
25 posted on 01/29/2011 3:11:30 PM PST by robowombat
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