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Nissan Leaf a comfortable, fun car to drive (For 50 Miles - Then it Dies!)
San Antonio Express News ^ | 02/13/2011 | G. Chambers Williams III

Posted on 02/14/2011 8:28:45 AM PST by Responsibility2nd

The all-electric Nissan Leaf is now officially on sale, advertised as the first mass-market battery-operated car on the market.

It uses no gasoline — and has no tailpipe emissions, because it has no tailpipe.

And even though it's battery powered, like a golf cart, it's a real car, fun to drive, with comfortable seating for up to five people and styling that's mainstream, not quirky like some of the hybrids and earlier electric cars.

For many, this even will be a practical car, one that can meet their everyday transportation needs — especially if they live, work and shop within a small area that doesn't require a lot of driving.

It's well-equipped, too, with standard features such as a navigation system, Bluetooth phone connection and automatic climate control — amenities once found only on luxury cars.

Some might argue, though, that its price qualifies it as a premium vehicle. It lists for $32,780 (plus $850 freight), before a $7,500 federal tax rebate and varying state tax incentives that can lower the price in some areas to the low $20,000s.

Nissan is making plans to build 150,000 of the Leaf annually at its assembly plant in Tennessee, beginning in late 2012, a number that certainly would qualify the car as a mass-market vehicle if all of those could be sold.

For now, the cars are built in Oppama, Japan, and the plant's capacity — 48,000 Leafs a year — is so limited that the cars so far are only trickling into the United States. Since it went on sale in December, only about 100 have been delivered to the more than 8,000 U.S. customers with firm orders.

But the key question remains: Will the Leaf ever be accepted by enough consumers to earn status as a mass-market vehicle?

Only time will tell, but after a week of attempting to use the Leaf as my daily driver, as a suburban commuter car, I have my doubts.

Range anxiety? It's no myth. This is the term used to describe the uneasy feeling one might get while driving a car that won't budge after its battery runs down, which in the case of the Leaf is supposed to be up to 100 miles after a full charge.

To help you gauge how much time you have left before the battery goes dead, there is a digital miles-to-empty readout on the Leaf's dashboard.

Only once during my test, though, did that meter ever read as much as “100 miles.” That was the morning after I received the vehicle from Nissan, and after I had kept it plugged in all night to a 110-volt power outlet in my garage. If you actually buy or lease a Leaf, you're expected to fork over about $2,000 for a 220-volt charger, which supposedly can recharge a completely depleted battery in about eight hours.

But in the absence of the higher-voltage charger, the Leaf's battery must be topped off using the 110-volt charger, with a cord about 18 feet long, which comes with every Leaf. There is also an indicator on the dash about how long it will take to recharge your Leaf at 110 or 220 volts, depending on the current state of the battery.

Also coming later on is a network of commercial 440-volt fast chargers, to be installed at places such as Cracker Barrel, Walmart, Costco and convenience stores, to top the battery off in about 30 minutes. None of those chargers are available yet, however.

When my tester was almost out of juice, the dash meter showed it would take 20 hours to reach full charge at 110 volts, or eight hours at 220 volts.

Leaving my driveway the first morning, with 100 miles until empty showing on the dash, I thought I was well prepared for my 26.4-mile commute to work and felt that I also would be able to get back home in the evening without having to do any charging while at work.

Wrong.

Here's the real scoop: By the time I got to the interstate highway that leads to my downtown office — the entrance ramp is about 2.5 miles from my house — the miles-to-empty readout had dropped from 100 to 81, indicating that I already had used 19 miles of the battery's power.

By the time I got to work, the meter read “51 miles” left, indicating I had used almost twice the actual miles I'd driven. Luckily, I'd had the foresight to bring the charging cord with me; I'd almost left it at home, believing at that time that I would have plenty of juice to get to work and back, and maybe even take the Leaf out somewhere nice for lunch.

At work, I found a 110-volt outlet attached to the building, in a company parking lot, and plugged in the Leaf. And when I came out nine hours later to drive home, the dash meter showed 77 miles left to go.

I went straight home, and when I got there, the meter was all the way down to 27 miles — 50 miles lopped off for the 26.4-mile commute.

OK, I thought the next morning, let's try this again. But wait — after charging all night in my garage, again at only 110 volts, the meter showed just 67 miles until empty. With more than a little trepidation, I set off for work again.

Surely, I reasoned, I'll have enough power to get home again if I keep the Leaf hooked up to power at work all day.

When I got to work, though, the meter had dipped all the way down to 16 miles, and bells, lights and a warning voice all told me I was low on battery power as I drove into the parking lot.

Like a dummy, though, I decided to take the car with me to lunch, driving it about 10 miles and interrupting the daylong charge.

So there I was, at 6 p.m., ready to drive home with an electric car that was showing 35 miles to empty, with a 26.4-mile trip ahead of me.

Add to that these conditions: It was dark; snow was falling; and the outside temperature was in the mid-20s.

When I turned on the Leaf's heater/defroster, just as I drove onto the interstate near work, the dash meter immediately dropped from 34 miles to just 29 — with 26 miles of driving ahead of me. Using electric heat, which is necessary because there is no gasoline engine in the Leaf to provide heat from the radiator, severely compromised the range of the car.

I turned the heater off. There was nothing I could do about the headlights or windshield wipers, but I figured I could live without heat for the next half-hour or so.

But with 20-plus miles still to go, the meter was already down to 26 miles to empty, and I began thinking about how to conserve energy so I could make it home. If I couldn't make it, the only alternative would have been a tow truck because AAA can't come out and recharge electric cars, at least for now.

Once the traffic cleared and the freeway began flowing freely, I moved to the far right lane and set the Leaf's cruise control on 55 mph instead of my usual 70.

With just two exits to go, about nine miles from home, the meter had dropped to 14 miles to empty, and the car once again was telling me that I needed to recharge. I dropped the speed to 50 and watched in the rearview mirror as more frustrated motorists came up close behind before pulling around.

With just six miles until home, the meter had dropped to eight miles to empty, and I began getting really nervous. Is this what they call “range anxiety”?

The car was getting even more worried about how much juice its battery had left.

Then, finally, I was coming off my exit, heading down the road toward my home, now just two miles away. The miles-to-empty display had flat lined by this time — no miles showing — and the navigation system asked me if I wanted to find “the nearest recharging station.”

I answered “yes” on the touch screen, and it showed me my own address as the closest charging point, “1.9 miles” away.

Now down to 30 mph, my feet, legs and hands starting to freeze. I began coaxing the Leaf along.

“Come on, you can do it, come on.”

I limped into the driveway, plugged the Leaf up in my garage and went into my house to warm up.

Conclusion: The Leaf isn't for everyone, as Nissan Chairman and CEO Carlos Ghosn already had told me during an interview a few months earlier. And it's certainly not the car for me, with a 53-mile daily roundtrip commute and the need to drive sometimes during the day while at work.


 


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G. Chambers Williams III is a suck-up to automobile makers. He fawns over each and every car he is given to review.

But this review is hilarious. If this had happened to me, I would have called my wife to come get me (in a real car) and called Nissan to come pick up that dead POS off the side of the road.

1 posted on 02/14/2011 8:28:50 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

What a POS. If you want a small cart that gets great mileage that is about the same as the stupid “smart” car - Get a Ford Fiesta. It has exceptional safety ratings too.


2 posted on 02/14/2011 8:32:04 AM PST by Frantzie (HD TV - Total Brain-washing now in High Def. 3-D Coming soon)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Buy a golf cart. It’s cheaper. And it will plug into a standard 110v outlet.


3 posted on 02/14/2011 8:32:12 AM PST by WakeUpAndVote
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To: Responsibility2nd

Well yes, driving around in an electric go-kart can be fun, but most people prefer their vehicle to be both useful and fun.


4 posted on 02/14/2011 8:34:53 AM PST by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: Responsibility2nd

If I was going to get an economical Nissan, I’d get a Cube. Yeah, they look weird, but I rented one last November for a road trip to South Carolina and I was amazed. I thought I’d hate it. I fell in love with it. It’s a box on wheels, but that gives it immense amounts of room inside. The seats are comfortable, if you don’t have rear passengers you’ve got lots of cargo room, it drives great, and it’s amazingly maneuverable.

The best part? It’s a Versa underneath, which is a good platform, and despite being a fairly heavy and boxy car, it did 33 mpg on the highway and well over 25 around town. That continuously variable automatic that Nissan uses takes some getting used to, but it’s actually *more* economical than the manual. Amazing.

Forget the Leaf. It’s nothing but a gimmick.

}:-)4


5 posted on 02/14/2011 8:35:02 AM PST by Moose4 ("By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!")
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To: Frantzie

Shoot, you could buy TWO Ford Fiestas for less than the price of one Nissan Leaf.

I’m not knocking EV technology. I believe one day they will be able to mass produce an electric car that can meet the demands of normal driving. But they ain’t doing that now.

And to make matters worse, our marxist government is subsidizing with taxpayer dollars the sale of these glorified golf carts. And that is what pisses me off the most.


6 posted on 02/14/2011 8:35:59 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

And are you really saving energy? You’re just moving the fossil to energy conversion from under your hood to a plant somewhere miles away. Sorry, this will not work for me.


7 posted on 02/14/2011 8:37:13 AM PST by tpmintx (Liberalism=Envy + Governmental authority. [I'm green; are you?])
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To: Responsibility2nd

I wonder how his employer feels about him using their electricity to charge his car?


8 posted on 02/14/2011 8:38:41 AM PST by Lost Highway (I don't know what the world may need but a V8 engines a good start for me)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Reading this article reminded me of internet speed claims. It is never as good as they claim it is supposed to be. Well, ALMOST never.

I wss thinking I might pay ten grand for one of these things. After reading what happened in real world driving. I would not buy one at any price, unless I thought I could resell it for more than I paid.

If these become really popular, expect to see a LOT of them dead on the side of the road as people overestimate how much juice they have.


9 posted on 02/14/2011 8:39:10 AM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Epic failure.


10 posted on 02/14/2011 8:40:41 AM PST by Oldexpat
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To: Moose4
Yes, the Cube does look weird.  But then Nissan has come out with this....
 
 
 
Holy Crap. America now owes a huge public apology to the Pontiac Aztek. Just when you got to thnking that nothing could be any butt-uglier than an Aztek....
 
Nissan intorduces the Juke.


11 posted on 02/14/2011 8:41:05 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

My commute is 45 miles... One way. Sometimes, that 45 miles will be done in sub-zero temps. Unless it’s run via an on-board nuclear reactor, ANY electric vehicle will lack the performance I require.


12 posted on 02/14/2011 8:41:24 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III%. The last line in the sand)
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To: Responsibility2nd
And how long is it going to be that your office lets you sponge free electricity off of them? When it is one employee they may look the other way. But if you had a bunch of greenies ripping off your electricity the plug is going to get pulled.
13 posted on 02/14/2011 8:41:40 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
commercial 440-volt fast chargers, to be installed at places such as Cracker Barrel, Walmart, Costco and convenience stores, to top the battery off in about 30 minutes.

Wonder how much this "quick charge" shortens the battery life?

14 posted on 02/14/2011 8:42:17 AM PST by wbill
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To: Moose4

I prefer my pickup.

I can get hundreds of miles out of a tank of gas (More if I fill both tanks) and carry a thousand lbs at the same time. Then there’s the added advantage of being able to stop a any typical gas station, fill up and go again within minutes.


15 posted on 02/14/2011 8:42:21 AM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Responsibility2nd
It uses no gasoline — and has no tailpipe emissions, because it has no tailpipe.

Sure. No tailpipe.


16 posted on 02/14/2011 8:43:11 AM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Responsibility2nd

If you need a small car that gets good gas mileage, a we all may thing summer with gas prices, the Fiesta is a good choice. I would love good electric cars aka coal cars but anyone who uses rechargeable batteries knows they do not last. In adddition, china has locked up many o fthe rare earth elements needed to build this stuff.


17 posted on 02/14/2011 8:43:48 AM PST by Frantzie (HD TV - Total Brain-washing now in High Def. 3-D Coming soon)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Wow ... that "car" is worse than useless. It's almost guaranteed to strand the driver, and sooner rather than later.

Meanwhile, my Corolla has a real-world range of 350 miles per charge of its "energy cell", and I can recharge it in about 5 minutes.

And using the heater/defroster or air conditioner doesn't significantly reduce its range.

Oh, yes: it cost about half what Nissan wants for a "Leaf".

18 posted on 02/14/2011 8:44:24 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Can’t get you to work and back? Well what the hell do you expect for just 30 grand??!!! Besides, good dedicated leftists aren’t supposed to worry about those icky, mundane things like making a living, are they?? And being stuck in a snow storm 5 miles from home should actually be a BLESSING for the environmental whackos in the crowd. It’s communing with nature, isn’t it??!!


19 posted on 02/14/2011 8:45:01 AM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: Responsibility2nd

It IS hilarious, and will be even more so when the greenies get stranded (OK, I hope it’s not in a bad area).

My electric scooter is like the above story as well — way less real range than advertised. But I basically never ride it more than walking or local transit distance, and in good weather. No complaints given that scenario!


20 posted on 02/14/2011 8:46:02 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: wbill

True. Never seen any battery of all types where a quick charge was the first recommended recharging option. Trickle charging is the best for battery life but also the slowest.


21 posted on 02/14/2011 8:46:34 AM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: Charles Martel
Sure. No tailpipe.

Yep. And all that electricity is completely free. No impact to the local power infrastructure, either.

I'd love to have a car like this, but my garage is full of Obama's Skittle-pooping Unicorns.

22 posted on 02/14/2011 8:46:44 AM PST by wbill
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To: Responsibility2nd

Wait till he tries to make a commute in zero degree weather. Wonder how long his battery will last then? Also hope he doesn’t get stuck somewhere; he’ll freeze to death.


23 posted on 02/14/2011 8:48:16 AM PST by csmusaret (Q: How do they say incompetent failure in Kenya? A: Barack Obama)
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To: tpmintx
And are you really saving energy? You’re just moving the fossil to energy conversion from under your hood to a plant somewhere miles away. Sorry, this will not work for me.

It won't work for me either, because I do outside sales, and a 100+ miles day is not out of the ordinary for me.
My sister and her husband have an all electric car. I can't remember the name. She is a teacher and her school is less than 5 miles from their house. They also live in a suburban city (Lynnwood WA) that has everything retail and otherwise you'd need within a 5 mile radius. She is your typical Seattle liberal, as is her husband. But....and here is the kicker. Even as green and liberal as they are, guess what their other car is? The one they do use when they need to venture outside of their electric car's comfort zone?

A new generation Mustang GT.
The right car for the right purpose on both accounts.
24 posted on 02/14/2011 8:48:28 AM PST by rickomatic
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To: Charles Martel
Nice ... you got your picture from "treehugger.com".

Can you identify:

A) What sort of works is attached to those smokestacks?

B) What is the chemistry of the plume coming from them?

C) Under what conditions was that picture taken?

I'll give you a hint, though: that plume looks like water vapor, to me.

25 posted on 02/14/2011 8:48:54 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

>>I limped into the driveway, plugged the Leaf up in my garage and went into my house to warm up.<<

Well, they say our standard of living will be going down.


26 posted on 02/14/2011 8:48:59 AM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Responsibility2nd

From the side, it’s an Aztek. From the front, it’s like an Alfa Romeo knocked up an Aztek in a broom closet and then the resulting offspring ate lead paint chips.

I agree, it’s pretty hideous, although I saw a review of it and the reviewer couldn’t stop raving about how good it was (as long as he didn’t have to *look* at it, I guess). 180 hp or so out of a turbo 4, all-wheel-drive, good room inside and good handling, it’s just supposed to be a fantastic little hipstermobile. I just can’t figure if it’s supposed to be an SUV or a car. The Cube’s just a chopped Versa engine/transaxle/frame with that weird body slapped on top. The Juke’s completely new. And ugly.

}:-)4


27 posted on 02/14/2011 8:49:38 AM PST by Moose4 ("By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!")
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To: Moose4

I drive the “original” Scion xB. I’ve owned 28 cars in my life. Everything from beaters to luxury cars to sports cars and convertibles. This is my all-around favorite of all of them. If I ever have to replace it, I will be looking at the cube before I’d look at the “big” xB.


28 posted on 02/14/2011 8:50:48 AM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Responsibility2nd

May have to rethink my plan to get a Leaf. I think I’ll shoot for this car instead, with the 300 mile battery pack.

http://www.teslamotors.com/models/specs


29 posted on 02/14/2011 8:52:45 AM PST by NavVet ("You Lie!")
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To: Moose4

I bought the xB with a manual. It is probably the reason it feels more like an old Mini and less like a gutless economy car. I think the variable ratio transmissions are a great idea, but if they make it feel gutless, well, I dunno.


30 posted on 02/14/2011 8:52:51 AM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: cripplecreek

I hear you. I have a full-size Ram now. Something smaller would be nice for daily commuting and puttering around, and that’s got nothing to do with the environment. That’s just my wallet yelling “you know, something that gets 25 mpg would be a lot better than your 5.2L Magnum V8 that gets 12 mpg and breaks down frequently. Just saying.”

When the truck finally drops dead, we’ll get something smaller. Until then, I keep my old Dodge warhorse limping along.

}:-)4


31 posted on 02/14/2011 8:53:29 AM PST by Moose4 ("By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!")
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To: Lost Highway

Since the car was being reviewed, it was part of the job............


32 posted on 02/14/2011 8:53:59 AM PST by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name. Want to have fun? Google your friend's names.....)
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To: Responsibility2nd

That’s with a new battery. Range drops as the battery gets older. Also, power available drops in cold weather. They don’t tell you in the ads that the battery is used to power radio, lights, accessories and heater.

Electric cars pollute. They pollute by using electric power which is generated by using oil or coal. Batteries pollute. Batteries have to be disposed of when they die, and that pollutes.


33 posted on 02/14/2011 8:54:02 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Liberalism is against human nature. Practicing liberalism is detrimental to your mental stability.)
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To: Dead Corpse

My commute is two miles. I would not buy this car after what I just read. Not even at $10k


34 posted on 02/14/2011 8:54:55 AM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I could actually use a car like this, but I refuse. It’s too expensive, and too early. I’ll consider it, when the cost is low, less than the cost of more flexible alternatives, and there are charging stations where for a modest sum, one can recharge their car.

Bottom line, I’ll never own one, I’ll be long gone before this technology matures.


35 posted on 02/14/2011 8:56:18 AM PST by brownsfan (D - swift death of the republic, R - lingering death for the republic.)
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To: NavVet

I actually like that one and have been following the news on it for a while. The price keeps sneaking on up there making it unaffordable for me at the moment. But it’s good to see someone finally taking the electric car idea to the next stage. Hopefully the Model S will lead to better looking, better performing electrics down the road.


36 posted on 02/14/2011 8:57:09 AM PST by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Yeah, it’s fun until someone hits you. Then, KABOOM! Those batteries in those cars are highly explosive. I wouldn’t want to be any where near an electric car when it gets hit.


37 posted on 02/14/2011 8:58:00 AM PST by FrdmLvr (Death to tyrants)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I searched “power plant smokestack” and that image was right at the top of the list. Didn’t dig any further, as I thought it got the message across.


38 posted on 02/14/2011 8:59:24 AM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: sully777; vigl; Cagey; Abathar; A. Patriot; B Knotts; getsoutalive; muleskinner; sausageseller; ...

Electric car follies ping!.........


39 posted on 02/14/2011 8:59:24 AM PST by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name. Want to have fun? Google your friend's names.....)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Is this what they call “range anxiety”?

What a nightmare. You pay $32K for a brand new vehicle and you spend your trip in total fear of being stranded by it as if it were a beat-up old Chevy that you got for $1000.

40 posted on 02/14/2011 8:59:24 AM PST by denydenydeny (Power always thinks it has a great soul and vast views, beyond the comprehension of the weak-Adams)
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To: Responsibility2nd

If work is 30 minutes away or less - an electric car would make sense. Any longer than that, forget it.

Its not ready for long range, real world driving.


41 posted on 02/14/2011 8:59:35 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Somebody in England did a story some weeks back about a journey undertaken with an electric car from London to Edinburgh (about 330 miles). It took four days or, as the reported indicated, longer than a similar trip by stagecoach used to take.

ML/NJ

42 posted on 02/14/2011 9:00:07 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: Moose4

I have two F150s (300 6 cyl) which don’t get terrible gas mileage.

When I go to the upper peninsula I get out in the sticks miles from anywhere. A leaf isn’t going to get me there and if it did it wouldn’t get me home.


43 posted on 02/14/2011 9:00:40 AM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Responsibility2nd

Article reminds me of something Jay Leno said on a recent episode of NOVA...”Electric cars are like sex. Everybody lies.” (this part I’ll paraphrase) “They all tell you, ‘100 miles!’ but 43 miles later, I’m stranded.”


44 posted on 02/14/2011 9:00:43 AM PST by Roccus (Joe Biden.....America's only living brain donor.)
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To: csmusaret
Wait till he tries to make a commute in zero degree weather. Wonder how long his battery will last then?

How about freezing rain with no defrosters? You can either see or actually get home.
45 posted on 02/14/2011 9:00:59 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Charles Martel
I thought it got the message across.

What message do you think it gets across?

46 posted on 02/14/2011 9:01:21 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: RobRoy

The new xB...yeah, I can’t figure why they grew it so much when it was so popular as a small car. Seems like you might as well get a Pilot or Element or CR-V or RAV4 now.

The Nissan CVT takes some getting used to. I’ve rented two cars with it (that Cube and a Sentra with the same 1.8L powertrain) and what I found is that if you just lightly give it throttle off the line, it hits a dead spot about 20 mph when the tranny seems to come out of “low” and into its normal variable range. If you don’t mind annoying the people behind you, you can featherfoot it and get amazing economy around town. If you need actual acceleration, just step down on it and it does surprisingly well.

The other thing I learned with that CVT is that you *never* take the overdrive off at highway speed. On most autos, if you pop off the O/D, it’s in third gear. On that CVT, if you do it, it might as well be in SECOND. I did it once for giggles on the freeway at about 60 mph and was rather surprised to suddenly be howling along at almost 5000 rpm.

The other weird thing about the Cube aside from the looks and CVT is the steering. It’s got electric power steering, not hydraulic. Around town, it’s fantastic...perfect feel, perfect weight, turns on a dime, never kicks back, no squealing power steering pumps or grinding when you get to a lock. On the highway, it gets a bit odd, like you’re turning a force-feedback game controller, because you don’t get as much feedback from the road. It only took a few miles to get used to, but it was definitely a different feel than normal hydraulic power steering.

}:-)4


47 posted on 02/14/2011 9:03:21 AM PST by Moose4 ("By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!")
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To: Lost Highway

And, not just a little bit, like say an FM clock radio. I bet the charging system draws some serious amperage.


48 posted on 02/14/2011 9:05:07 AM PST by Freedom4US
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To: GonzoGOP

“And how long is it going to be that your office lets you sponge free electricity off of them? When it is one employee they may look the other way. But if you had a bunch of greenies ripping off your electricity the plug is going to get pulled.”

Let’s see. How will that work out?

Hmmmm. Perhaps a federal law requiring all employers . . . . You know it’s coming.


49 posted on 02/14/2011 9:05:26 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: denydenydeny
I drove a $150 72 Pontiac Catalina to Texas and back from Michigan.

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50 posted on 02/14/2011 9:05:44 AM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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