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Posted on 02/15/2011 1:23:29 PM PST by MindBender26
Edited on 02/15/2011 7:34:17 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
I would feel sorry for you, just as I feel sorry for Lara Logan, but I would still question just what you expected when you chose that course of action.
These are not phenomena of a group, party, organization or anything so ephemeral. They are the consequences of regarding the Qur'an as the absolute, eternally valid, and perfect word of Allah. As long as men take the unchangeable Qur'an at face value, women will be at risk.
Lara Logan, having worked many years in the ME was, no doubt, fully aware of this, especially the attitudes of muslim men towards women. Yet she ignored it and persisted in putting herself in harm's way.
No matter how we feel about the brutality of the perpetrators, or the stupidity of the victim, the real cause of this tragedy lies in the wretched teachings of the Qur'an.
Some women would call me a chauvinist pig because I don’t support putting women in combat zones nor in situations like this. It creates tension and a whole separate but unneeded issue of involvement and consideration by her peers and supporting personnel.
Read my post.
I said the TITLE on the CBS site was changed.
These kinds of threads bring the loons out of the woodwork every time.
wardaddy, you hit the nail on the head.
Sadly, the Balkanization of this once great nation precludes us from ever getting back to our once great status.
You're not alone. Dittos to the max.
I suspect you two, like me, detest this face whenever--and whereever--it makes an appearance. I can't imagine what horror this poor woman experienced. She no doubt saw her life pass before her eyes. As I said before, I hope she has a full physical and emotional recovery.
My question is, how did we get here? How is it that there are now people who, like me, temper their reactions to such a heinous act with thoughts of "but what else can we expect"?
Is there an element here of reaping what you sow? (I'm not saying there is, but I am asking the question to provoke thought.)
Also, I invite you to consider this: What if we called for the animals who did this to be hunted down and eliminated with extreme prejudice? What if we (and in this context, the "we" here means the United States) called for, say, a missile strike against a re-gathering of the low-lifes who assaulted her? Would not some in the Muslim community then have excuse to say, "They just put an attractive and sympathetic woman in an untenable position as a set up. It was their (the United States') desire all-along to gin up a pretext for lobbing missiles."
Yes, I know. I'm being a bit over the top here. On purpose. I'm making up an extreme hypothetical to prove a point: that if we grant this woman with some kind of immunity from how her actions may have contributed to what happened, then we're not, in my opinion, being intellectually honest.
No. I'm not defending snarky or catty comments. But if I were Joe Egyptian, I'd be saddened and disappointed by what my fellow Egyptians did to this poor woman. But I wouldn't hold her up as the paragon of virtue. She, at some level, chose to be in that situation. Perhaps it was stupid; perhaps, instead, it was brave. I don't know.
But what I do know is that it is unconscionable what CBS did sending her there, and even more unconscionalbe that they suppress the release of this news. I find it fascinating that we're busy here on FR eating our own. In my opinion, CBS deserves our wrath. Not each other.
Just my 2¢.
It didn't work with this one:
“can they all be genuine? “
I was wondering the same thing,
I am shocked and disappointing in the remarks that have been made, I didn’t think freepers were this crude and heartless.
Yet on a few other forums I am finding the same responses out weighing the responders that actually have some class.
What does this say about today’s society?
OH and BTW. people that makes light of the situation or try to blame the victim are no better then the rapist, IMHO.
I don't believe having poor social judgment and acting crass is anywhere near the level of a rapist. The rapist has inflicted severe physical and mental harm on another individual.
Making light of the situation is just crappy social skills. There is no redeeming value to ridiculing the infliction of rape on any individual.
"Blaming the victim" a la "she wanted it" or "she was asking for it" is offensive, IMO. It also exhibits no redeeming value to take this approach.
I will add one observation, however. Both she and her employer knew that the area she was in could be dangerous. I sincerely hope that they had taken all reasonable precautions to preclude events like this transpiring. In hindsight, it may have been wiser to withdraw all female reporters, if not all American reporters altogether.
Nothing I said should be construed to excuse any part of the attackers' heinous acts, nor to cast aspersions on the victim.
Yet on a few other forums I am finding the same responses out weighing the responders that actually have some class.
What does this say about today’s society?
I'll venture a guess: that many people in our society have little regard for their fellow-man. (And I mean "fellow-man" in the old-fashioned sence: all of mankind, male and female.)
My take on the unflattering comments is this: the Left in this country has demonized us conservatives for so long, some of their filth has rubbed off on us. Way earlier in the thread someone (eak3? wardaddy?) voiced dismay that more aren't rallying around Ms. Logan.
I can't speak for anyone else. And as more facts come to light I may change my tune and have more sympathy for Ms. Logan. But for now, I will say that if you're going to associate with pigs (in this context pigs = CBS), then do me the courtesy of not being shocked if you get covered in excrement.
As I said earlier in this thread, do I think Ms. Logan deserved to be raped? Good Lord, no. The animals who assaulted her are beneath contempt, but she is not.
But I'm not going to come to her defense as a reflex action. She's a Leftist, as far as I can tell. (If I'm wrong and I learn more facts--that she's not a Leftist--then again, I'll change my tune.) As a Leftist, she has, in my opinion, surrendered her claim on my sympathies as a fellow American.
And yes, I know exactly what that says about me.
No, I do not wish her ill. Just like I don't wish any ill on Barack or Michelle Obama. But I do wish her--and them--to go away if they contiune to believe in theire America-hating Leftist dogma.
It's no more complicated or mysterious than that.
I guarantee you she suspected...She was here in Baghdad for a while and knows very well the dangers in this part of the world. Some of the comments about her are ridiculous. She gave fair coverage of our guys over here.
We did see some camels though.
I have seen nothing that indicates she was raped. Assaulted is not the same as raped.
I do agree with the notion that these people were idiots to walk into a madhouse like that and think nothing would happen to them. Im more upset at the nature of this particular attack, the fact a woman was sexually assaulted. This is my reason why i dont think woman in the military should be on the front lines. Woman captured in combat would be subject to horrendous atrocities, more so than most men would. I dont think its sexist or masoginist at all to want to see no harm come to the opposite sex.
Sorry, my bad. I was reading too quickly.
As an aside...
My local “news” radio station really downplayed the story this morning. First they talked about how most of the crowd was jubilant. Many were hugging reporters. Made me want to barf.
Then, when they came to assault part, right at the end of the report they said that she was “assaulted sexually”.
WTF?
Nothing about “sustained” or “brutal” sexual assault.
Listening to the radio report, it could have meant someone felt her up.
It was evident to me they were really making excuses and trying to downplay the event.
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