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Climate change: Galileo moment for GOP (agitprop alert!)
Politico ^ | February 15, 2011 | Mark Hertsgaard

Posted on 02/17/2011 12:38:22 PM PST by neverdem

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To: flat

It’s not just the grant money driving them (though that’s all it is to some, the useful idiots),

it’s the communism.


21 posted on 02/17/2011 1:30:29 PM PST by MrB (Tagline suspended for important announcement on my home page. Click my handle.)
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To: neverdem
Yo Hertsgaard. Here's the real science instead of algore's fake crap.

MIT's Dr. Richard Lindzen's 48-page Congressional Testimony

22 posted on 02/17/2011 1:30:40 PM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free!)
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To: teeman8r
So is the author saying that in the 17th century the “consensus” was that the sun revolved around the earth?

What does the "consensus" say about climate change?

23 posted on 02/17/2011 1:37:37 PM PST by GSWarrior
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To: neverdem
If it were proven beyond any and all doubt that mankind has little to do with climate change patterns that news would be greeted with dismay by many on the left, because regulating CO2 emissions is NOT about reducing temperatures on a global scale or controlling weather patterns.

I do not buy the claim that if we reduce C02 emission by an arbitrary amount the result will be a change in weather patterns. The public is being asked to believe, in a sense, that "I'm from the government, I'm here to change the weather."

Here is what I would like to hear from a global warmist.
"We are not sure exactly how strong the link between C02 and climate change is, and we admit there exists evidence to the contrary that is not easily explainable. But limiting C02 has so many other benefits it is worth pursuing."

I want a clean environment. I want cheaper, renewable energy sources. I would love to the see the combustion engine replace with something cleaner and cheaper. I would love to see alternative means for heating our homes. But until that day, we need to open ANWR, North Dakota, and expand nuclear power

If there are any climate problems that need solving, if there is alternative energy to be had, the answer will come from the private business sector. It will not come from governmental agencies with a green light to spend as much of our tax dollars in the form of grants as it sees fit.

24 posted on 02/17/2011 1:54:46 PM PST by GSWarrior
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To: neverdem

Will it take the ‘Rats as long to accept the failure of their Globull Warming Hoax as it did the Soviet Union and Lysenkoism ?


25 posted on 02/17/2011 2:01:04 PM PST by jimt
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To: GSWarrior

GREAT POINT.

WIST (wish i said that)

hehehe

stupidity must be painful and we are going to experience a lot of pain coming soon... at the hands of many government employees too...

keep the powder dry and your aim sharp.

t


26 posted on 02/17/2011 2:13:19 PM PST by teeman8r (armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: neverdem

Let’s put our liberal thinking caps on and compare and contrast arguments.
1. Global temperatures are increasing by a barely noticeable amount each decade. This is inexorable and will cause the atmosphere to boil away in the next million years. The solution is to bankrupt western civilization now.
2. The federal workforce is given, on average, $3000 per day to spend. Each employee spends $4000 per day. Weekends and holidays too. The difference is hardly noticeable to your average bureaucrat. This leakage is infinitely sustainable, and any attempt to cut spending by any amount will cause the collapse of western civilization.

Do I have their arguments down pat, or what?


27 posted on 02/17/2011 2:16:26 PM PST by AdSimp
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To: teeman8r

You can use it...just give me attribution. ; }


28 posted on 02/17/2011 2:35:42 PM PST by GSWarrior
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To: neverdem
I'm still waiting for the Soviet sympathizers in the USA to condemn Joseph Stalin as the equivalent monstrosities of Adolph Hitler.

When THOSE commies come around then I can get around to dealing with the Green-Pinkos.

29 posted on 02/17/2011 2:44:52 PM PST by a fool in paradise (The biggest waste of brainpower is to want to change something that's not changeable. -Albert Brooks)
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To: neverdem
U.S. news coverage usually refers to climate deniers as skeptics. That is misleading. Skepticism is invaluable to the scientific method. But an honest skeptic can be persuaded by facts. These deniers are largely impervious to facts — at least facts that contradict their worldview.

And yet he doesn't present a single scientific fact in the entire article.

I would remind this claptrap selling little twit that 100 years ago the ideals of eugenics and the idea that blacks had inferior mental capabilities were far more universally accepted among scientists than AGW is now.

30 posted on 02/17/2011 2:45:52 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
You have committed heresy against Gaia. You have hence been excommunicated from the human race and no longer have any voting rights as a human. However you cannot escape death and taxes so the IRS still wants a hefty cut your annual worth.
31 posted on 02/17/2011 2:47:21 PM PST by a fool in paradise (The biggest waste of brainpower is to want to change something that's not changeable. -Albert Brooks)
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To: GSWarrior

What’s more, India and China are ramping up their use of such fuels at the same time the USA is told “you are an EVIL sinner, and must repent from your evil ways”.

It ain’t about science or the planet. Follow the money and the politics.


32 posted on 02/17/2011 2:52:39 PM PST by a fool in paradise (The biggest waste of brainpower is to want to change something that's not changeable. -Albert Brooks)
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To: Mr. Silverback
40 years ago, these same scientists told us we were headed for an impending ice age.

25 years ago, they were telling us the oceans would be dead in 20 years.

10 years ago, they were predicting that snowfall in England would become such a rare occurrence by this date that kids wouldn't even know what snow is.

They are doomsday cultists selling their religion on the public dime.

33 posted on 02/17/2011 2:54:59 PM PST by a fool in paradise (The biggest waste of brainpower is to want to change something that's not changeable. -Albert Brooks)
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To: MrB

MR B ...i have a message for you from SPACECOAST FLORIDA......

YOU SIR...

are a STEELY-EYED-MISSLEMAN!


34 posted on 02/17/2011 2:55:41 PM PST by flat
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

And it often completely writes Copernicus out of the history. “no one else”, “the church”, “blah blah blah”.


35 posted on 02/17/2011 2:57:48 PM PST by a fool in paradise (The biggest waste of brainpower is to want to change something that's not changeable. -Albert Brooks)
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To: neverdem
Every single bullshit, I repeat bullshit, model I have seen on global warming uses short term models.

Unless you are a Young Earth Creationist, 150 years is a drop in the bucket, especially after coming out of the little ice age.

36 posted on 02/17/2011 3:21:42 PM PST by Darren McCarty (We should lead ourselves instead of looking for leaders)
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To: BruCru

The argument at the link you posted claims the “greenhouse effect” is caused by the transport of heat by water vapor into the atmosphere. It was always my understanding that the greenhouse effect was that short wavelength IR radiation passed through the atmosphere and heated the surface. The heated surface reradiated at longer wavelengths that were absorbed by CO2 and H2O molecules in the atmosphere, rather than the radiation going back into space. This caused the Earth to thus be warmed by the net trapping of energy by “greenhouse” gases.


37 posted on 02/17/2011 3:27:56 PM PST by Laserman
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To: neverdem
Well Jesus did come to provide the way for humans to evolve..
That humans should evolve into another state..
He trumped Marx and Darwin..

He said you MUST become another creature and be "born again"..
and, you know, evolve into another creature..

Note: Charles Darwin eat yer heart out..

38 posted on 02/17/2011 3:30:59 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: neverdem

Galileo! (Galileo!)
Galileo! (Galileo!)
Galileo, Figaro!
MAGNIFICOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!...


39 posted on 02/17/2011 3:31:36 PM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: neverdem; mmanager; Fiddlstix; Fractal Trader; FrPR; enough_idiocy; meyer; Normandy; Whenifhow; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

40 posted on 02/17/2011 4:08:45 PM PST by steelyourfaith ("Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips)
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