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1 posted on 03/26/2011 11:23:10 PM PDT by Nachum
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Starting to look dicey ain't it..
When I start counting vectors of malefaction in America it looks overwhelming..
My hope is that America DOES NOT have a government that matches the people..
America could generally be as corrupt as the federal government
2 posted on 03/27/2011 12:14:30 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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The Magic Eight Ball says Very Doubtful.


3 posted on 03/27/2011 12:44:22 AM PDT by chris37 (awesome!)
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We aint going to make it. Unless the military grows a set and stages a coup, we are doomed.
The gutless wonders in the GOP aint going to do squat. The Democrats are still in charge and flyng the plane of state right into the Soviet Russia airport.


4 posted on 03/27/2011 2:19:13 AM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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The foibles of human nature are hard to overcome without a massive national catastrophe as a catalyst.

This chills me to the bone, but it is precisely what I think it will take to reverse course. The people of the U.S. will have to experience significant pain. I had a tiny bit of hope in November 2010, but Boehner and company won't say and do what needs to be said and done. I think the problems are too big for one person/political party anyway. It will probably take our near destruction for possibly something good to arise. I'll vote for the person running against Obama in 2012, but the countdown began a long time ago. Is it better to go over the cliff with Obama and the Dems flooring it like Thelma and Louise, or with the Republicans at the wheel and Miss Daisy sitting in the back seat?

5 posted on 03/27/2011 2:42:58 AM PDT by beaversmom
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“AT is a secular publication, so comments aimed at witnessing or proselytizing for a faith are not permitted.”

Kind of seals off access to the human heart, which is the thing that has to change if things are going to improve. No one else but Jesus Christ can change the human heart. And unless He is allowed to, humanity os stuck in Jeremiah mode: “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?” ( Jeremiah 17:9)

That’s the condition our founders knew about, and tried to design a government around.


8 posted on 03/27/2011 5:10:17 AM PDT by RoadTest (Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
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It’s over...face the music.

Over a span of many years our government has insidiously made more and more individuals and businesses incomes dependent upon their rules, regulations, mandates, direct and indirect payments and outright fraud against the Constitutional laws. The “tipping point” was reached many years ago.

There are too many corporate and individual pigs eating at the trough and it’s only going to feed upon itself.

You know that America (as we know it and as it was originally founded) has died when judges...not Congress...makes laws that are not immediately quelled in the name of Constitutional authority.

It’s too late for we have allowed this to happen and are all to blame. I too, have stood in silence on (at the time) things that seem trivial but later developed into the very knives that stabbed the heart of American freedoms.

We have only one option to save our country and I will let you guess what it is. I only hope it is not too late for that too.


9 posted on 03/27/2011 5:37:25 AM PDT by DH (48th TFW, A&E Lakenheath England, 67-70)
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No.

“The America of my time line is a laboratory example of what can happen to democracies, what has eventually happened to all perfect democracies throughout all histories. A perfect democracy, a ‘warm body’ democracy in which every adult may vote and all votes count equally, has no internal feedback for self-correction. It depends solely on the wisdom and self-restraint of citizens… which is opposed by the folly and lack of self-restraint of other citizens. What is supposed to happen in a democracy is that each sovereign citizen will always vote in the public interest for the safety and welfare of all. But what does happen is that he votes his own self-interest as he sees it… which for the majority translates as ‘Bread and Circuses.’

‘Bread and Circuses’ is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure. Democracy often works beautifully at first. But once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader—the barbarians enter Rome.”

— Robert A. Heinlein


10 posted on 03/27/2011 5:49:18 AM PDT by flowerplough (Thomas Sowell: Those who look only at Obama's deeds tend to become Obama's critics.)
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Good Lord!

The negativity on this thread is unbelievable!

SNAP OUT OF IT!

You all have families, children and grandchildren.

Are you going to let the Dems and Obama walk away with their future?

Go walk in Arlington and see the graves of those young men who have thrown the torch of liberty to you to carry forward.

You want to throw it away?

Then you face them.

Because I can’t.

We have to fight for what has been given to us.

And let the fighting come in my day, so my posterity can live in peace, as one patriot said many years ago.

Evil triumphs when good men do nothing.

2012 is the marker in American history—you be there or get lost.


11 posted on 03/27/2011 5:55:36 AM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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An overwhelming number of people who I come in contact with in the course of my business start discussing current political affairs. Mostly voicing how much they are tired of the way the Government spends our tax dollars.

I always ask them if they voted - most did - then I ask how many they took to the polls with them. Not many had an answer.

Want to change government? Do what Acorn and the unions, and the community organizers do. Think about it - if every person who is concerned about the course of our country convinced just one additional person to vote and vote correctly then the course of this country could be changed. I went and got my adult kids (who couldn’t care less about politics), drove them to the polls and made them vote for the right candidates (the bank of Dad carries some strong infuences). So at least there were 3 more votes out there.

We, the concerned citizens, really need to get off our butts, get people registered and drag some to the polls during these elections.

As part of my usual conversation I ask the questions “are you registered to vote?” and “Did you vote the last election and are you going to vote this election?”.

Our country is being run by someone who was elected to office by 51% of less than half of the voters - so about 26% of the voting eligible population gave us Obama and his minions.

The time to start is now.


13 posted on 03/27/2011 6:36:14 AM PDT by msrngtp2002 (Just my opinion.)
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Yes, America can be saved. Question is, are there enough of us to put up the fight to do it?

If you can't appreciate the pure beauty of the violin after hearing this, something's wrong with your ears.

18 posted on 03/28/2011 9:35:29 PM PDT by rdb3 (The mouth is the exhaust pipe of the heart.)
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When asking whether or not “America can be saved?” do we mean the current government? Do we mean the terra firma? Do we mean the people? Do we mean the ideal of self-government as expressed in our culture over the last 200+ years? Because the answers are probably different for each of those questions.


22 posted on 03/29/2011 3:23:14 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Repudiate the national debt)
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The question is not “can we”...

It is imperative that “We Do!!!”


24 posted on 03/29/2011 6:22:53 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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