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Obama's BC says it's an "abstract," it's on modern computer paper, and it's dated "April 25 2011."
April 27, 2011 | me

Posted on 04/27/2011 8:58:36 AM PDT by grundle

I don't consider myself to be a "birther," but I am not a fool either.

The document that Obama released today says that it is an "abstract" of the record on file.

In law, an "abstract" is defined as "a brief statement that contains the most important points of a long legal document or of several related legal papers."

So it's not the actual form.

Also, it's printed on modern computer paper.

And it's dated "April 25 2011."



TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; eligibility; naturalborncitizen; obama; officialbcrelease
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1 posted on 04/27/2011 8:58:40 AM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

The number is out of sequence as well.


2 posted on 04/27/2011 8:59:39 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: grundle
And the doctor.. Sinclair?

Larry Sinclair's father!

CONSPIRACY and FAGGOTRY!


3 posted on 04/27/2011 9:01:36 AM PDT by humblegunner (Blogger Overlord)
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To: grundle

race of father? African?


4 posted on 04/27/2011 9:02:08 AM PDT by y6162
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To: grundle
One thing is for sure, Obama's "proof" is not like these.



5 posted on 04/27/2011 9:02:10 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: marstegreg

I believe that the April 25, 2011 date is when it was photo copied.


6 posted on 04/27/2011 9:03:31 AM PDT by RC2
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To: grundle
Might any questions be resolved via thorough (in every respect), transparent, and public forensic analysis by the FBI?

Would not such an exercise settle the issue?

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7 posted on 04/27/2011 9:04:31 AM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: grundle
Look here
seems to be fake
If you open the PDF file in illustrator and release clipping the clipping mask oh-oh...
8 posted on 04/27/2011 9:04:47 AM PDT by eyrish69 (Yellowstone Wolves - Smoke a Pack a Day!!!)
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To: Red Steel

Anyone here born around 1961 know if that type of paper was used around that time?


9 posted on 04/27/2011 9:05:29 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat ("Celebrate 'Civility'")
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To: grundle

Did you notice in box 5b how the M in P.M. in reduced yet the other M’s on the page are all equally sized to the surrounding font.

(9)I cannot imagine the British (in the 60’s) permitting the use of the word “African” to describe the race of white people born in Kenya, Africa.

Shouldn’t the occupation in 17a be listed as Student?


10 posted on 04/27/2011 9:07:02 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are .)
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To: eyrish69

Where is Dan Rather????????!


11 posted on 04/27/2011 9:07:34 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: grundle

OK, now where’s the Obama/Dunham marriage certificate?


12 posted on 04/27/2011 9:07:40 AM PDT by Argus
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To: Seaplaner

not possible to get that from any government entity (public transparent thorough).


13 posted on 04/27/2011 9:07:42 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: grundle

Does this mean that Obama and Michelle can go to the Royals Wedding now? /s


14 posted on 04/27/2011 9:07:54 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Red Steel

Note please the signature of the local registrar for Obama is different than that of the twins, who were sopposedly born in the same hospital within days of Obama. How can there be TWO local registrars? The local resitrar on Obama’s BC is one word Uklle?


15 posted on 04/27/2011 9:08:10 AM PDT by milwguy
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To: grundle

The WH says it sent a letter last week to the HI DOH requesting the long form, or certificate of live birth vs. the previously released certification of live birth. If you request your own long form, the certification of its authenticity at the bottom would be dated the day the copy is issued.

And, your certificate of live birth (long form) would be on official paper with whatever watermark is used in that jurisdiction, It would also contain virtually the same language about its being ‘a true and correct reproduction or abstract of the original...’ That’s the standard in any jurisdiction in issuing a copy of one’s birth certificate.


16 posted on 04/27/2011 9:08:41 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: grundle

Successful Rope-A-Dope by The Donald.


17 posted on 04/27/2011 9:08:48 AM PDT by Amagi (ObamaCare proposed a tax on Tanning Salons. That is RACISM STRAIGHT UP!)
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To: grundle

Thank you - I began to question the ‘watermark’ on the paper...you’re way ahead. Looks like computer generated wallpaper.

On to the college records..hell, how about a high school yearbook photo. Travel records to Pakistan? Passport? Selective Service registration?


18 posted on 04/27/2011 9:09:05 AM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: Red Steel

I have done some research(legal books and online), and I have not been able to ID the phrase “certificate of live birth.” I have not found a source that uses it, they all use “birth certificate”; and, if you are requesting a record from a state agency, the request form may say “birth record.” I had never heard the term, “certificate of live birth” before the Kenyan made his ascent.


19 posted on 04/27/2011 9:09:05 AM PDT by izzatzo
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To: grundle

Why would they go through the trouble to issue an “abstract” on an old typewriter (or at least try to make it look that way)? They used computer paper which is modern but dropped the letters “u” and “n” in some words like a manual typewriter. Why would they try to fool us on the type but use modern computer paper? We must look pretty stupid to these people.


20 posted on 04/27/2011 9:09:12 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: milwguy

And on the bottom of is missing ... Where is the Director of Health’s signature? Where is the Registrar General signature?


21 posted on 04/27/2011 9:10:08 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: grundle

Where’s the state seal?? Mine has a seal!!


22 posted on 04/27/2011 9:12:43 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: eyrish69
Do you know why all of the typed information would be surrounded by white rectangles? I would think that a photocopy onto security paper would put black typing directly on the security paper.
23 posted on 04/27/2011 9:12:50 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Red Steel

Im looking at mine now “Certified Copy of an Original Document” Certified as an exact reproduction by the State Registrar . . with the date of certification and the DOH SEAL

It’s all handwritten, the DR. signed it the next day and recd by registrar 7 days later. Just FYI. The seal is visible both front and back side and also to the touch on both sides.


24 posted on 04/27/2011 9:13:36 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat ("Celebrate 'Civility'")
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25 posted on 04/27/2011 9:14:18 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: milwguy

The local registrar played the ukulele??


26 posted on 04/27/2011 9:14:18 AM PDT by mikrofon (Obama's Birth "Construct")
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To: grundle

Any idea why the old typewriter font appears on the modern security paper?


27 posted on 04/27/2011 9:14:42 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Bad posters drive out good; don't post and drive!)
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To: Red Steel
To keep things in order, we should call the first COLB released *Trickery* and the one released today *Deceit*.

*Trickery* and *Deceit* are both bogus.

28 posted on 04/27/2011 9:15:00 AM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Bachmann, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity......Nuff said.)
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To: grundle
It's an image, retrieved from microfilm or microfiche, printed onto security paper, certified on April 25, 2011.

This is the real deal, folks. You asked for the release of the long-form birth certificate, and you got it. Here it is. This shows the exact place of birth, which is what everyone said they wanted to see.

While it does prove that Obama was born in Hawaii, it also conclusively proves that Obama is not a natural born citizen, because it proves that his father, Barack H. Obama the Elder, was a British subject at the time of his birth.

Had someone else been the father of Barack H. Obama, II (a natural born or naturalized American citizen), then the matter would be closed. The current occupant of the White House would have been a natural born citizen because he would have inherited no other citizenship as a result of his birth.

But that's not the case here, unfortunately. We have a dual citizen, not a natural born citizen, serving as President, and the document released today conclusively proves that assertion.
29 posted on 04/27/2011 9:15:02 AM PDT by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: izzatzo

My sister, born in Cleveland in 1956 has a certificate of live birth


30 posted on 04/27/2011 9:15:42 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice.)
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To: Sacajaweau

What is written above the first name of his mother on this latest forgery?


31 posted on 04/27/2011 9:17:07 AM PDT by ethical
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To: mikrofon
Now that he has said this is it.

The document can be examined for authenticity

32 posted on 04/27/2011 9:17:41 AM PDT by scooby321
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To: Argus

Their divorce judgment is online. Why do you think they weren’t married? I don’t think the marriage was legal since he was already married to a woman in Kenya, though. But they still got a divorce.


33 posted on 04/27/2011 9:18:11 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: EDINVA

OK. Thanks.


34 posted on 04/27/2011 9:18:38 AM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

This is clearly not a copy of his original long-form birth certificate.

And lots of posters on here today saying this issue is now dead. I suggest they grow a brain.


35 posted on 04/27/2011 9:18:55 AM PDT by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: RC2

Thanks.


36 posted on 04/27/2011 9:19:14 AM PDT by grundle
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To: B4Ranch

The “M” is pre-printed, like “19” used to be, in documents requiring a date. You’d just fill in the last two digits of the year.
“M” for meridian; ante or post needs filling in.


37 posted on 04/27/2011 9:21:11 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Bad posters drive out good; don't post and drive!)
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To: y6162
"race of father? African?"

I agree
Africa is a continent not a RACE.
There are Caucasians in Africa along with Negros.

38 posted on 04/27/2011 9:21:14 AM PDT by DeaconRed (All of ZEROS friends are in Low Places. . . . FUBO)
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To: grundle
Here's the problem I have.

The mother is supposed to be in HI to sign this doc on 8/7/61, yet she is placed in Washington state roughly one maybe two weeks later.

In 1961 that would be virtually impossible, especially with a newborn.

39 posted on 04/27/2011 9:21:48 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: izzatzo

Actually I’m looking at mine now and it does say “Standard Certificate of Live Birth” Issued in another jurisdiction and before 1961. As I noted earlier, it does bear a visible and touchable seal of certification as copy of an original and with the day of certification.


40 posted on 04/27/2011 9:21:59 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat ("Celebrate 'Civility'")
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To: marstegreg

I believe the information from the original abstract is transferred to the computer paper but the font looks like 60s era typeface to me. At any rate, I think it’s legit and am ready to move on. Let’s have Obama explain how since his father was not a citizen, he is a natural-born citizen.


41 posted on 04/27/2011 9:22:27 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: milwguy

The Smoking Gun News has the registrar as “Ukulele”.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/barack-obama/birth-obama-certer-movement-098513

Other problems listed on the The Smoking Gun


42 posted on 04/27/2011 9:23:31 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (BHO II naturalized as U.S. Citizen after becoming an Indonesian National)
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To: B4Ranch

It appears the “M” you are referring to is preprinted on the page so the person filling out paperwork merely fills in A or P to indicate time of birth.


43 posted on 04/27/2011 9:24:56 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Chuck Schumer: You are a rude, pompous ass!)
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To: mikrofon

Thank you


44 posted on 04/27/2011 9:26:46 AM PDT by novemberslady
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To: grundle

I guess this is what Barry considers compromise.

We want the original released. He doesn’t. The compromise is a version that is not the original.

We still want the actual, original birth certificate released. Not a fax, not a photocopy, not an ‘abstract’. We want the exact original birth certificate.

Why? Because you’ve spent two million in court keeping it sealed. That’s why. We don’t trust the copy or abstract. considering the first one was doctored we can’t trust anything but the actual original


45 posted on 04/27/2011 9:28:45 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: SvenMagnussen

What’s funny is that there’s no difference between The Smoking Gun’s satire and the stupid crap you read here.


46 posted on 04/27/2011 9:28:45 AM PDT by Kleon
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To: Seaplaner

It won’t settle the issue for these people any more than forensics settled the 9/11 Truthers issues or the “Moon landing was actually in Arizona” believers.


47 posted on 04/27/2011 9:28:49 AM PDT by cydcharisse (`)
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To: grundle; butterdezillion

FWIW, the “Obama” in that signature doesn’t look like Stanely Ann’s signature, to me. The rest may be. The “Obama” looks like a drop in. The “(Stanley)” is too small for me to tell. The “Ann Dunham” could pass as legit.


48 posted on 04/27/2011 9:29:56 AM PDT by bvw
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To: ilovesarah2012
The divorce papers were necessary for Dunham’s marriage to Soetero. They are suspicious because no marriage certificate for Dunham to Obama has ever been located, among other reasons.
49 posted on 04/27/2011 9:33:34 AM PDT by Missouri gal
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To: ilovesarah2012
I believe the information from the original abstract is transferred to the computer paper but the font looks like 60s era typeface to me. At any rate, I think it’s legit and am ready to move on. Let’s have Obama explain how since his father was not a citizen, he is a natural-born citizen.

That right there is the issue. Dual citizens (such as Barack Obama, II) cannot be natural born citizens within the meaning of Article II, Section 1.

Everybody had been asking for a long form birth certificate for three years, and they finally got it. He was born in Hawaii, at Kapiolani. He does have simple U. S. citizenship, acquired from his mother and his place of birth.

But it's also quite clear that the only citizenship he could have inherited from his father is British, which makes Barack H. Obama, II, a dual citizen (i.e., not natural born) at birth. He is ineligible to serve as President (or Vice-President) by virtue of Article II, Section 1, United States Constitution.

About the only job Obama can't fill as a dual British-American citizen that a natural born citizen can do is the one he has right now.
50 posted on 04/27/2011 9:34:37 AM PDT by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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