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Authors: Even Hawaii birth won't make Obama eligible
WND ^ | April 26, 2011 | WND

Posted on 04/27/2011 10:18:57 AM PDT by RobinMasters

Although President Obama released a purported long-form birth certificate today indicating he was born in Hawaii, he still might not fit the constitutional eligibility requirement that stipulates only "natural born" citizens can serve as U.S. president, according to a recent bestselling book.

An investigation by the authors found that according to correspondence from the original framers of the Constitution as well as multiple Supreme Court rulings and the legal writings that helped establish the principles of the Constitution, Obama is not eligible to serve as president since his father was not a U.S. citizen.

With nearly 900 endnotes, the book, "The Manchurian President: Barack Obama's Ties to Communists, Socialists and Other Anti-American Extremists," was written by WABC Radio host and WND senior reporter Aaron Klein with researcher Brenda J. Elliott.

While the book was released last May, the work takes on renewed relevance today with Obama's release of his purported long-form birth certificate. In a chapter investigating eligibility issues, the book concluded Obama may not be eligible regardless of his place of birth. The authors recommend further legislative and judicial debate.

"It is undisputed that Obama's father was not a U.S. citizen," wrote Klein, "a fact that should have led to congressional debate about whether Obama is eligible under the United States Constitution to serve as president."

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1 posted on 04/27/2011 10:19:00 AM PDT by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters

I posted this earlier so will do so again:

Sorry to disappoint you folks, but you’re wasting your time. The citizenship question is not the first in US history.

Subsequent law has dealt with insufficiencies of the constitution on this issue:

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”

-Anyone born inside the United States *

-Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe

-Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.

-Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national

-Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year

-Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21

-Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)

-A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

* There is an exception in the law — the person must be “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.


2 posted on 04/27/2011 10:23:40 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: RobinMasters

This is the first thing that I have seen posted today (from the birther side) on this subject that wasn’t nuttier than a squirrel turd. Thank you for that. If his father being a non citizen of the U.S. makes him ineleigible AND there is stare decisis on this in multiple Supreme court cases, then he has no choice but to step down and he just did it to himself by releasing the long form.

Chances of the USSC having the collective balls to remove him? About as good as a pizza at a weight watchers convention.


3 posted on 04/27/2011 10:23:53 AM PDT by Grunthor (The man or woman who doesn't forgive has forgotten the price that Christ paid for them on the Cross.)
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To: RobinMasters

And so it continues. Birthers could be right or could be aholes. Obama says he’s running again.


4 posted on 04/27/2011 10:29:14 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: Grunthor
Chances of the USSC having the collective balls to remove him? About as good as a pizza at a weight watchers convention.

You are probably right.

I think someone should run for president, who is a native born citizen, and has both parents that are illegals. Then someone like an elector should challenge that person. If that person doesn't have standing then I don't think anyone in the universe would have standing in this case.

5 posted on 04/27/2011 10:29:47 AM PDT by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: fruser1

6 posted on 04/27/2011 10:29:52 AM PDT by stormer
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To: fruser1

Although that just proves Obama may be a citizen, it still doesn’t answer the ‘eligibility’ question for the office of President.

A person born of two ‘citizen’ parents.


7 posted on 04/27/2011 10:30:21 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: fruser1

Natural born is the subject, noone disputes he is a citizen.

Besides his daddy wasn’t an American, that alone disqualifies zero.

Vatell spells it out along with letters from Ben Franklin, Et al.


8 posted on 04/27/2011 10:30:57 AM PDT by devistate one four (United states code 10.311 Militia Kimber CDP II .45 OORAH! TET68)
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To: fruser1

While I appreciate the opinions of politicians, pundits, authors, bloggers and posters, the only opinion that matters is that of the current Supreme Court, if they could be reached for comment...


9 posted on 04/27/2011 10:31:13 AM PDT by frankenMonkey (I need a new tagline...)
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To: RobinMasters
So anchor babies or people born in so-called “citizenship hotels” are eligible to be POTUS? What a self-destructive loophole the Founders have created. I don't think so.
10 posted on 04/27/2011 10:31:31 AM PDT by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: Grunthor

“...his father being a non citizen of the U.S. makes him ineligible...”

Except it doesn’t.


11 posted on 04/27/2011 10:32:09 AM PDT by stormer
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To: fruser1
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”

Yes, U.S. citizen at birth, but not natural born citizen.
12 posted on 04/27/2011 10:34:29 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: fruser1
And again...(*sigh*)

Defining “citizen at birth” doesn’t help to define “natural born citizen”.

The only gap to be found is in your knowledge, not in the Constitution. The term had a definition in 1787, and the framers understood it. You seem to think they were writing nonsense, which had to be cleared up later.

No, the framers and ratifiers knew the definition. Just because you don't doesn't mean you can substitute another. You can't amend the Constitution all by yourself.
13 posted on 04/27/2011 10:34:58 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Grunthor
“there is stare decisis on this in multiple Supreme court cases”

The point that is lost in discussing those cases is that the language quoted is merely “dicta” is is not the holding of the cases. “Stare decisis” applies to the holdings of a case not to the dicta..

14 posted on 04/27/2011 10:35:41 AM PDT by montanajoe
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To: devistate one four

“Natural born is the subject, no one disputes he is a citizen.”

Really, you have got to be shitting me...

“Besides his daddy wasn’t an American, that alone disqualifies zero.”

Just flat wrong...

“Vatell spells it out along with letters from Ben Franklin, Et al.”

Huh - I never knew letters could be substituted for law in the United States.


15 posted on 04/27/2011 10:36:30 AM PDT by stormer
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To: ex-snook
"And so it continues."

Who thought that it wouldn't? Overall, birthers are a very obsessed group, although the fringes of the fringe are never going to give up. The Chief Justice of the USSC could stand on the steps of the Courthouse and declare that Obama is eligible, and there are those who will want to know "who got to him?"

At this point, I expect the birther threads to double instead of slack off. Vanities will abound. Oh, yippee.

16 posted on 04/27/2011 10:36:30 AM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: RobinMasters

I’m wondering if the “attending physician,” David Sinclair is any relation to zero’s butt buddy Larry Sinclair.


17 posted on 04/27/2011 10:37:11 AM PDT by bonnieblue4me (You can put lipstick on a donkey (or a dimrat), but it is still an ass!)
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To: Grunthor
Oh, BALLS! I posted you the same information about two freaking hours ago. LOL

You newcomers to this issue are so far behind the curve.

Since 2008, the question has always been the nationality of the baby's father and the mothers age at time of birth.

This issue has never been a reaction to Obamas (sic) election or his policies while being the presumed president. It has NEVER been an issue of his birth LOCATION

Only the uninformed and the misdirection specialists insist on framing the debate over birth LOCATION.

18 posted on 04/27/2011 10:37:16 AM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: fruser1

According to the Constitution, the requirement is ‘Natural Born Citizen’.

I’ll try to explain this so that everyone can understand it.

When one is born, his citizenship is determined by one of two factors:

1. Where he was born (the ‘Native’ claim) AND;
2. Of what country was the citizenship of his parents.

If both factors result in the citizenship of the same country, then there are no conflicting loyalties, and the newborn is ‘naturally’ a citizen of where he was born.

Thus the term ‘Natural Born Citizen’ is applied.

Get it?


19 posted on 04/27/2011 10:41:16 AM PDT by chopperman
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To: stormer

None are so blind as those who refuse to see!

Both parents so as not to have divided loyalties.

Makes perfect sense to the founders and me too!


20 posted on 04/27/2011 10:43:28 AM PDT by devistate one four (United states code 10.311 Militia Kimber CDP II .45 OORAH! TET68)
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