I think are missing a very important point. To be a natural born citizen, BOTH your parent must be US citizen at the time of your birth. The birth certificate obama released proves that his father was not, thus obama is NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. This is no conspiracy. Even if obama is born in hawaii, he still not qualified to run
Sooo..where’s Trump on this? I thought he’d have his people tearing this apart by now, and would be screaming 24x7 about what they found.
Wondering if Trump was a setup - create cover for release of the BC, then say “yep..that settles it! Guess he was born here after all”..
Hmmmm..
That’s not correct, is it? His mother was a citizen, and he was born in the US. That makes him eligible.
Assuming the docs are real, of course. Which is far from a given.
Then there’s the other thing. That is that nothing will be done anyway, even if he isn’t eligible.
You would need cast iron proof, and even then, the case can be dragged out interminably if they want.
I agree with you - if these documents represent the truth, they prove Obama is ineligible. Obama’s father was *never* a US citizen.
I also hold the view that there are troubling elements with the images that were released, and Karl Denninger points out these issues with the images very clearly. I recommend everyone find his youtube video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c93cm17_2C8
A conspiracy of one.
What would happen to Obama and the DNC if it were proved he was not eligible to be POTUS?
He is fighting for his very life.
Others are fighting for billions if not trillions of dollars.
Agreed. The citizenship requirements for the office of President are more stringent than those for “regular” citizenship. Amazing how easily the ignorant can be fooled. BTW, in 1961 America, Obama Sr. would have been classified as “Negro”, not “African”!
For starters, the 14th Amendment must be viewed as, at least, modifying the original intent of our founders, and the original Constitution, and the Court cases up to the time of ratification of the 14th Amendment.
Having said that, the term, “Subject to the jurisdiction thereof” would be important for us to enforce, as, for instance, the child born of two illegals, in the US, is NOT under the “jurisdiction” of the United States as pertains to child custody, for instance. A divorce court in MEXICO would probably have to solve such an issue. So, in my mind, the kid would NOT be a Citizen at BIRTH!
The CONGRESS has the power to determine the Jurisdiction of our courts, in the Citizenship matter, to a point, in the Obama case and in the case of “anchor babies” born to illegals.
Congress HAS changed the rules a few times, as far as citizenship, at birth, for a child born outside the United States to a Citizen parent and non-citizen parent. These rules can be found rather easily if you look at a Passport application, or if you Google “citizen born abroad”.
Put down your wizard hat and your magic wand, there is no “magic” in the words, “Natural Born Citizen” other than this is meant to say that “Naturalized Citizens” or Citizens who were not Citizens at the MOMENT of birth, are not qualified to be President.
If you are a citizen? Well you are either Natural Born or Naturalized. This is the ONLY point, today, the only possible meaning of the words.
If Obama was born on US soil, or on a US ship or US plane or US territory, for that matter, Obama would be a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!
If Obama was not born under the jurisdiction of the United States? Well, Stanley Ann was not old enough to confer automatic citizenship.
Argue with me all you want, but this is what our Country, and our Courts, and our elected leaders will probably decide.
No reference in the law, which predates the 14th Amendment, is really very helpful in this matter.
You cannot say that...because it has no clear legible embossed, dated and signed seal of the DOH of Hawaii - that document cannot be used to certify anything FOR or AGAINST Obama.
It has no value except as a public opinion and political manipulation piece.
=8-)
I really wish Freepers would wise up to that fact. You cannot use anything on what Obama releases to prove something FOR or AGAINST him unless it is in original certified form as generated by the State of Hawaii.
He is not a “natural born” citizen, but his supporters, if they could understand the term, are now saying that “natural born” is the equivalent of “native born,” and that is good enough for those tens of millions of the uninformed.