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Should You Walk Away from Your Underwater Mortgage?
CBS Sacramento ^ | 28 April 2011 | Call Kurtis

Posted on 05/02/2011 12:32:17 PM PDT by Notary Sojac

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Great article, glad to see that Suze Orman who has many readers and viewers is on board.

Since it's California centric, it doesn't deal with living in a mortgage recourse state, where walking away is not so easy.

I love this part, it's so tasty when corrected:

Beth Mills with the California Bankers Association warns walking away, or strategically defaulting as it’s called, has a larger impact bringing down your neighbors’ property values keeping the housing market from recovering helping housing to reach a market clearing price and getting the system back to equilibrium.

There, that's better.

1 posted on 05/02/2011 12:32:20 PM PDT by Notary Sojac
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To: Notary Sojac

this is part of the progressive push to collapse the system


2 posted on 05/02/2011 12:36:42 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Notary Sojac

Well this is a test of whether we’re consistent in our ethics.

Do you believe in being a keeper of covenants, or are some covenants more...flexible...than others?


3 posted on 05/02/2011 12:37:21 PM PDT by lurk
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To: Notary Sojac

I’d love to see what happens to Suze Orman when someone who lives in a mortgage recourse state tries this and gets sued to recover the balance of the debt owed.


4 posted on 05/02/2011 12:37:49 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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Do you have a moral obligation to honor your debts? When you agree to buy a house do you assume a risk?
5 posted on 05/02/2011 12:40:14 PM PDT by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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If they won’t work with you, then I think you can stand in your truth and leave that home

Don't worry.....WE'LL pay for it!

6 posted on 05/02/2011 12:40:34 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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When his yellow lab Rosco got sick Rob had to ask family for help. He had no credit card to pay for the $2,000 dollar vet bill.

Something isn't right here.

7 posted on 05/02/2011 12:42:15 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: pnh102

Exactly!


8 posted on 05/02/2011 12:43:22 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Some men DO just want to watch the world burn.)
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“We’re doing quite well and at the end of the storm, we’re going to be positioned to get back into the market and make our lives better,” Bob said

I wouldn't loan this loser a plugged nickel. Nor his loser wife. She feels secure? Nice fat bank account? Good for them, they're gonna need it. I don't think their credit is worth a damn - they'd better save up cash for the next one they buy.

Suze Ormann is a loser too. It doesn't make a damned difference in the cost to stay in the home whether it's worth nothing or a million dollars. They payments are what they are when they agree to make them - when they thought they could rake in a killing on housing escalations and move up. The baby she has/had will learn its morals from a couple of losers.

9 posted on 05/02/2011 12:46:13 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: frogjerk

You assume a risk, and so does the bank.


10 posted on 05/02/2011 12:47:03 PM PDT by MetaThought
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To: Notary Sojac
"It’s probably from my father that you don’t walk away when you make a commitment,” she said during while choking back tears..."

A prime example of why we are now screwed as a society. Your word is your bond is such an old fashioned idea. /s

11 posted on 05/02/2011 12:48:30 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (I can haz CW2 now?)
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You forgot to add the “/sarcasm” tag onto your comment!

There is nothing great about Suze’s advice. Backing out on a commitment, esp. one regarding money, is a huge deal, as the people in the article are eventually finding out. I am currently seeking employment, and virtually every application asks questions as to any bankruptcies, defaults on loans, or judgements placed against me. Thankfully I can answer “no” to these questions, but I cashed in my IRAs and sold equity in my house to a family member to see that all my creditors were paid.

Maybe some people truly do have no other choice, but many just don’t feel like cashing in some of their assets. Too bad then - any negative hits to their credit scores or other repercussions are probably deserved.


12 posted on 05/02/2011 12:49:00 PM PDT by Joann37
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How many years will it take for you to pay more than that house is worth? If it’s 3 years, 4 years, 5 years; are you kidding me?
That’s a house you really need to say bye bye. It’s not worth the money.”

That's advice from a "pro?" You buy a house, then only look three/four years down the road?
A house used to be a home, not a gimmick for a fast-buck hit & run.
13 posted on 05/02/2011 12:49:48 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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Do the calculations everybody. How much is it costing you to actually stay in that house?

Uhhh??? Exactly the amount YOU agreed to pay to stay in the house???

14 posted on 05/02/2011 12:49:48 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too...)
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Sorry but I don’t agree with your comment. It IS a moral issue—for the ones who made the decision to take out the loan and made a promise to repay. “It’s better not to make a vow than to make one and then break it.” Ecclesiastes 5:5
Almost all of this housing crunch is the result of GREED on the part of the BUYERS and foolish decision. Ms. Orman’s comments about renting were equally valid 20, 30 years ago but people got envious about everyone else’s McMansion and used two incomes to get the biggest loan possible. No one at any time had a gun put to their head by a bank loan officer to force them to borrow 90 to 100 percent of the value of a McMansion.


15 posted on 05/02/2011 12:50:19 PM PDT by JoyjoyfromNJ (everything written by me on FR is my personal opinion & does not represent my employer)
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I believe you have a moral obligation to honor a contract.

If the contract calls for you to either (1) keep making the payments or (2) give up the collateral to the lender, you've honored the contract whichever one you do.

Businesses do this all the time. If a business can improve its cash flow by giving up a purchased or leased capital asset and freeing itself of the payments, it would be violating its fiduciary duty to its stockholders if it did otherwise. I suggest we think of our families as "stockholders" and make decisions on the same basis.

Some of the same businesses who have done this are probably the same ones that hire PR staffs to lecture consumers about "moral responsibility".

Now, if someone stops making payments and continues squatting in the house, I agree that that's an ethical breach and I would not endorse it.

16 posted on 05/02/2011 12:52:17 PM PDT by Notary Sojac (Populism is antithetical to conservatism.)
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To: pnh102

I did mention that in post #1.


17 posted on 05/02/2011 12:53:15 PM PDT by Notary Sojac (Populism is antithetical to conservatism.)
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"When his yellow lab Rosco got sick Rob had to ask family for help. He had no credit card to pay for the $2,000 dollar vet bill.

Something isn't right here. "

What part, the amount of the vet bill? I know a guy who has a beagle at the vet right now. Tests, Xrays and MRIs from this "specialist", who has yet to actually operate, total over $5,000.00.

18 posted on 05/02/2011 12:56:15 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: frogjerk; lurk; Gaffer
"JPMorgan walks away from bad property bets | Boston Business Journal"

http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/stories/2009/12/14/story11.html

It's OK for a Big Bank to walk away, because it's a "business decision"....

19 posted on 05/02/2011 12:57:03 PM PDT by kiryandil
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Someone told me they were thinking of walking away from their underwater house because they could buy a similar house for a lot less money. It never occurred to them that no one would lend them money after they turned in the keys.


20 posted on 05/02/2011 12:57:23 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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