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Bill requiring welfare recipients to take drug tests headed to [Florida] governor
Miami Herald ^ | May 6. 2011 | Jodie Tillman, Herald/Times Tallahassee bureau

Posted on 05/06/2011 12:53:13 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“I got fired from my state job for continuous drug use and then they kicked me off welfare for continuous drug use. You know what I’m gonna do?”

“Quit using drugs?”

“Nope. Vote Democrat.”


21 posted on 05/06/2011 1:29:49 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: not2worry
"We have so many abusers and users of the welfare system here in Florida it is breaking our backs!"

that's not so bad.

In CA we have 1/10th of the national population and 1/3 of all welfare recipients. We don't even have the national cap of 5 years the rest of the country has...after 5 years here the state takes over all obligations.

People move here for the welfare. People move out to start businesses.

22 posted on 05/06/2011 1:32:38 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The problem with this is that it is unconstitutional. To do this, the Fed needs to pass a law similar to the military where you agree to give up your constitutional rights when you go on public assistance similar to giving them up when you go into the military. Otherwise, the courts will strike this down in a heartbeat, as it is a nobrainer violation of the 4th Amendment.


23 posted on 05/06/2011 1:34:20 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I’ve been harping on this for Nevada as well.


24 posted on 05/06/2011 1:35:06 PM PDT by ninergold3 (Let Go and Let God - He IS In Control)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
It's about friggin’ time! If you refuse to take the drug test,then get a JOB!!! Next should be “health coaches” for Welfare bums. I've been called 3 times this year from a “Health Coach” hired by our health insurance company.
25 posted on 05/06/2011 1:39:23 PM PDT by 4yearlurker
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To: microgood

“The problem with this is that it is unconstitutional. To do this, the Fed needs to pass a law similar to the military where you agree to give up your constitutional rights when you go on public assistance similar to giving them up when you go into the military. Otherwise, the courts will strike this down in a heartbeat, as it is a nobrainer violation of the 4th Amendment.”

So it is unconstitutional for an employer to make you take a drug test? Since when is welfare a constitutional right?


26 posted on 05/06/2011 1:39:49 PM PDT by TxDas (This above all, to thine ownself be true.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
What a concept !

Now.....if they would only have regular drug-testing required to CONTINUE on welfare.....

27 posted on 05/06/2011 1:45:06 PM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: TxDas
So it is unconstitutional for an employer to make you take a drug test? Since when is welfare a constitutional right?

No, an employer is not the Federal Government or state government, so they can do it as a condition of voluntary employment. And welfare is not a constitutional right, but in order to search you, the government has to have probable cause to believe you are doing drugs:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
28 posted on 05/06/2011 1:45:21 PM PDT by microgood
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To: microgood

>The problem with this is that it is unconstitutional

Wrong.

That is a type of right that can be waived for a compensation due.
It is done by many Federal and State agencies, not to mention numerous private settings.
Settled law.


29 posted on 05/06/2011 1:48:09 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: bill1952

Somebody call Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson.


30 posted on 05/06/2011 1:49:45 PM PDT by Mr. Wright
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To: microgood

Welfare is a voluntary agreement with the Government. You do not have to be on welfare. You do not have to apply for welfare.

The Government has already set restrictions (i.e. how much you can earn, how long you have been unemployed, etc.) on the receiving of benefits. This will be an additional, lawful restriction.


31 posted on 05/06/2011 1:52:08 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: bill1952
It is done by many Federal and State agencies, not to mention numerous private settings.

Do you have some examples of Federal agencies doing this (except military)?
32 posted on 05/06/2011 1:52:30 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
The Government has already set restrictions (i.e. how much you can earn, how long you have been unemployed, etc.) on the receiving of benefits.

But those have nothing to do with the bill of rights or the constitution, since welfare is not a constitutional right. Here you are asking someone to waive their constitutional rights.

So if you are right, then when you take public assistance, they can make you give up your right to own a gun as well.
33 posted on 05/06/2011 1:55:04 PM PDT by microgood
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To: microgood

DEA, FBI, ATF, NSA, FAA - give me a minute and we can come up with a dozen more. :)


34 posted on 05/06/2011 1:56:19 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: bill1952
That is a type of right that can be waived for a compensation due.

It is done by many Federal and State agencies, not to mention numerous private settings.

Settled law.


So they can take your guns away as well?
35 posted on 05/06/2011 1:56:54 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The cost of the testing will easily pay for itself.

And as a privacy matter I have no problem with this as it is a condition of receiving charity.


36 posted on 05/06/2011 1:57:56 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: bill1952
DEA, FBI, ATF, NSA, FAA - give me a minute and we can come up with a dozen more. :)

That is based on a voluntary acceptance of a job, and random drug testing is only allowed for certain job titles that affect public safety. Totally different situation. Heck, when I worked for DOD as an engineer they could not random test me as I was not directly tied to public safety.

This is a case of some random citizen that you have no evidence of their drug use and they are not in a job critical to public safety. Cannot do it.
37 posted on 05/06/2011 2:01:39 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

I wonder which is more addictive- gubmint cheese or crack?


38 posted on 05/06/2011 2:03:31 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: microgood

The Florida governor founded Solantic in 2001, only a few years after he resigned as the CEO of hospital giant Columbia/HCA. In January, according to the Palm Beach Post, he transferred his $62 million stake in Solantic to his wife, Ann Scott, a homemaker involved in various charitable organizations.

Among the services that Solantic offers: drug testing.


39 posted on 05/06/2011 2:04:13 PM PDT by chemengineer42
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To: RC one

I can’t wait for our hero Governor Walker to implement this in Wisconsin. Coming to a state near you! Whoo Hooo!


40 posted on 05/06/2011 2:06:13 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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