Posted on 05/07/2011 9:27:55 PM PDT by tlb
No I did NOT.
I made it in regards to the article and Camping’s predictions. (Is The End Nigh? We'll Know Soon Enough )
Did you read it?
A busy week . . . semester ending and . . .
an inspection . . . at the VA hosp
Should be back by 20th
Happy to consider whatever you have to say.
Well, maybe it’s just me, but whenever I see those two verses cited without any further context it gets my attention, because they are only half of a set of two things being contrasted in that passage. I’m now confident that YOU know both sides of that comparison, but I don’t want anyone who doesn’t know to get any wrong ideas.
I know you were responding (appropriately, I might add) to Camping running around saying he knows the date of the Day of the LORD, and citing vv. 1 & 2 handily refutes the idea that he’s right. But, citing ONLY those two verses CAN leave people under the impression that even Christians will be completely ambushed by the end.
So, I think that, while the point has to be made that nobody knows the day or the hour, I also think it equally important to state the counterpoint: BUT The Church WILL have an idea that the Day of the LORD is imminent.
Because that “BUT” is often omitted, and the following verses left out when vv. 1 & 2 get quoted, there are any number of sincere Christians running around under the misapprehension that they’ll just never have a clue; it’ll all just happen when it happens, and they won’t know it’s about to happen until it’s already happening.
You’d be amazed how many Christians I’ve talked with about indicators of the end times, and they pop off with “Well, nobody knows the day or the hour,” and then are completely floored when I open the Bible and show them vv. 4 & 5 where they read that they WILL have a sense that it’s at hand; they WON’T be in the fog.
And here’s the kicker: because they incorrectly believe they just won’t have any clue, they aren’t even paying attention to the clouds gathering on the distant horizon. They’re not invigorated at the thought that Jesus’ return could be within the next 50, or even 20 years. So, as the economic and geopolitical storms whip up around the globe, all they see are tough times; they have no reason to regard these things with any sense of hope or anticipation. All they see is the temporal, negative headlines; they don’t have in mind that intensifying trials and upheaval may be “the beginning of birth pangs” that presage the actual return of Jesus Christ.
I don’t want any Christian to live like that; I want them all to KNOW that the Bible contains milestones, and indicators, and reference points that give us a timeline of events leading up to The Day of the LORD; and His intent is that we be aware of them, so we have an idea how close it’s getting. NOT so we can give a date, but so we can be appropriately fervent about the gospel.
And THAT is what’s so damaging about foolishness like what Camping has going on: his actions prompt society as a whole, and even Christians in some quarters, to throw the eschatological baby out with the bathwater. Consequently, on May 22nd and following, there will be just that much MORE resistance to talk about the legitimate end time indicators that really DO exist in the Bible, and their implications in light of current events.
“Watch and pray” will still be a wonderful admonition, of course; just so long as you don’t dare imply that there’s anything specific to watch for. And THAT’S a real shame, because Jesus — The Bridegroom God — IS COMING, even though Harold Camping is out to lunch about when.
Expectations that the world is soon to end are rife throughout the contemporary Muslim world. Because so many Muslims today face such a dismal situation, the religious climate is primed with anticipation and popular longings for the appearance of the Mahdi, or the Muslim messiah. Books, pamphlets, and internet chat rooms are replete with stories of the Mahdi and speculation about the coming time when he will finally appear to usher in the messianic state and sweep away the modern world’s suffering and injustice.
http://www.eurasiareview.com/messianism-in-the-shiite-crescent-analysis-15042011/
So, I can go out and buy that Lamborghini and not have to worry about making future car payments?
What is your opinion of this guy?
I Enjoy listening to Pastor Hagee but I think I disagree with him about Israel. IMHO, If I recall correctly, he seems to imply another path of salvation for Israel than through faith in Our Lord Jesus Christ?. I have not studied his position closely however. My conviction of salvation is Christ centric by grace through faith for everyone at all times including Abraham and Moses ( they believed the promise).
They’re not invigorated at the thought that Jesus’ return could be within the next 50, or even 20 years.
Do you really think it is this long however? My time span is from possibly today to maybe 3 years max.
That’s good.
And that is just the sort of statement that confuses me about your position
Oh I enjoy reading Gagdad Bob's book but don't agree with everything he says either.
I think Dante puts Mohammed in the part of Hell where heretics are. If I get some time I’ll check.
I enjoy watching Hal Lindsey but his soothing voice sometimes puts me to sleep.
I read and enjoyed Tim LaHaye's Left Behind series, maybe it could have been done in about 4 books, seemed to drag a bit. I am not sure Gog Magog happens before the rapture as Tim says and right now I am considering, though not as excitedly as a few weeks ago, that the antichrist may be muslim not European as Tim and Hal currently believe.
no deadlines!
Cool! Thank You.
INDEED. No deadlines nor rush.
I could imagine it being stretched—by God somehow—until just before the last of those alive when Israel became a nation in 1948 or retook Jerusalem in 1967 were to graduate from this life.
However, I think it exceedingly MORE LIKELY that Christ will return within the next 1-15 years.
And, remember . . . the children in Paladin1_DCS’s church—compelled by Jesus, visions of Jesus to ask their parents how to be saved !NOW! URGENTLY !NOW!
I guess my point is we all see through a glass dimly. IMHO I feel saying I don't know is a good thing.
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