Posted on 05/07/2011 9:27:55 PM PDT by tlb
"....Dispensationalists (those who adhere to the standard "Left Behind" view) see in this beast a dual fulfillment part ancient Rome, but part fulfillment by an Antichrist figure in our future. But can this really be justified? If the whole of Daniel's words finds fulfillment in 70 AD, secondary fulfillments become possible, of course, but essentially superfluous in context.
I agree. As I just previously stated, it's a term Dispensationalists made up out of whole cloth.
Thank You for your encouragement Alamo-Girl, BTW yesterday the Holy Spirit had me drop the IMHO when I state on FR that replacement theology is a lie. I am now convinced it is.
Well, now. I guess that settles it. Who would dare disagree with the "Holy Spirit". /s
Harold Camping would no doubt say the same. Want to bet that he would also claim that he came up with his latest "prophecy" because the Holy Spirit "told him" where he could find the Scriptures to back up his beliefs?
Now can you, Matchett-PI, say, and I would like you to type it out for me:
Our Lord Jesus Christ is everything.
as a statement of your personal conviction?
I already did.
Sort of like what is happening today with the Obama planned destruction of Israel. Replacement theology would say it is no big deal. It is common sense. Why not just move the Jews to Wyoming or something and solve all the mid east problems.
Just to be clear my convictions are these and in this order:
1) My Lord Jesus Christ is everything.
2) replacement theology is a lie.
From Rapture Ready
Israel’s enemies will never recognize Israel as the legitimate owner of the vast land God gave that people.The hatred is satanic, and will continue right up until the Lord Himself puts an end to the hatred. Sadly, most of the church of Jesus Christ–those who are born again according to John 3: 3—also don’t recognize Israel as the legitimate owner of that land, the land God calls His own.
Replacement theology runs rampant among the pulpits and pews in America, either tacitly or outrightly declaring that the church has replaced Israel in God’s prophetic plans.
Nothing could be farther from truth found in God’s Word. The very fact that Israel is recognized only in the most hateful way by the world and is front and center of controversy in that region many term the “Holy Land” should alert the Bible-believing child of God that recognizing Israel at this late hour is all-important. That nation is the key to where this generation stands upon God’s prophetic timeline.
Israel is the clear signal that Christ’s shout, “Come up hither,” must be very near indeed.
First of all, and I'll give only one or two examples of why, with the exception of the destruction of Jerusalem which was fulfilled in 70 AD, the events detailed in Matthew 24 have never been fulfilled but will be in the future.
In verse 15, it says the period of intense persecution of Jews will begin when "the abomination of desolation," spoken of by Daniel, is seen "standing in the holy place." We have no historical record of such an event taking place in 70 A.D. Unlike Antiochus Epiphanes, who desecrated the Temple's holy place in 168 B.C. by erecting within it an altar to Zeus, Titus took no such action in 70 A.D. before he destroyed the city and the Temple.
Jesus says that the period of "great tribulation" (verse 21) that He is talking about will be so severe that all life will cease unless the period is cut short.
We live in the only generation in history when these words could be literally fulfilled. There was no possibility in 70 A.D. that the siege of Jerusalem would lead to the extinction of all life. But that is a very real threat today due to the development and deployment of nuclear weapons.
In verses Jesus says that all the things He has spoken of concerning the Tribulation will be fulfilled during the generation that sees the "fig tree" reblossom. Here is the key to the timing of the prophecy's fulfillment.
What is the "fig tree"? What happened the day before? Jesus had put a curse on a barren fig tree (Matthew 21:18-19), causing it to wither. It was a prophetic sign that God would set the Jewish nation aside because of their spiritual barrenness — that is, their refusal to accept Jesus as their Messiah. The fig tree is a symbol of the nation of Israel (Hosea 9:10; Jeremiah 24:1-10; Joel 1:7; Luke 13:6-9).
Now, the next day, Jesus calls the fig tree to mind and says, "Watch it. When it reblossoms, all these things will happen."
The setting aside of Israel occurred in 70 A.D. The reblossoming took place in 1948 when the nation of Israel was re-established.
Matthew 24 has yet to happen. It is going to be fulfilled soon; Israel has been regathered, the nation has been re-established, and the nations of the world are coming together against the Jewish state. The wrath of God is about to fall. We are on the threshold of the Great Tribulation. And the Great Tribulation has never happened in all of human history.
BTW Did You catch the fact that when I say replacement theology is a lie I dropped the IMHO yesterday? Replacement theology is as insidious as idol worship.
Camping is a victim of replacement theology. IMHO the lie of replacement theology is almost as insidious as idolatry. The key to holistic understanding of Bible prophecy is to understand the role of Israel in it. God keeps his promises to Israel. This is a model to the rest of us that he will keep his promises to us as well.
A majority of the church going world has been victimized. I believed the lie for 35 years. During the past 20 I have been seeking the truth and only recently did I stop saying IMHO replacement theology is a lie and replaced it with: Replacement theology is a lie dropping the IMHO. For those that do not know, Replacement theology is the lie that the Church has replaced Israel in God’s plan.
The church was polluted by Replacement theology early on. Origen and Augustine, early Fathers of the church, were the first to muddy up the scriptures in this way when they arrogantly took on the mantle of Israel for themselves. Martin Luther apparently did not study it and this lead to his anti-Semitism and Hitler. In many ways IMHO it is like a reverse of the circumcision party that led to Acts 15.
This replacement theology lie has lead to the church we have today. Everyone is running around not knowing what is happening in these end times we are in. The truth is The Church, the Bride of Christ, has a role and Israel has a role. Think of men and women, children and parents, husbands and wives, angels and people, dogs and cats, sheep and goats, wheat and tares. All these have roles God invented.
So the solution: Open your Bible, drop your preconceived notions and open your mind, ask God to reveal the truth about all this Israel stuff written in the Bible. The Lord Jesus Christ is central in it all. Gods Grace and Mercy is incredible, He does all the work. Faith and hope and love permeate the entire Bible and the greatest of these is love.
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