Posted on 05/23/2011 8:23:10 AM PDT by No One Special
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Very interesting. Never heard of this before. Thanks for posting.
Which came first? The chicken or the Meg - alith.
Implying they went from “hut” to “monumental architecture” with no intermediate steps.
“For that matter, Schmidt has found no mess kitchens or cooking fires. It was purely a ceremonial center.”
Yet: “To judge by the thousands of gazelle and aurochs bones found at the site, the workers seem to have been fed by constant shipments of game, brought from faraway hunts” and “Surely there were feasts”.
Implying they ate their meat raw or cooked it elsewhere and brought it in.
“Today less than a tenth of the 22-acre site is open to the sky.”
Maybe they have not reached the point where implications and conclusions should be given a lot of weight. It is interesting though.
The improved dating numbers on the site, and the new evidence of deteriorating quality of workmanship and craft over time indicate that something bad was going on. The possibility of the North American Impact playing a large part in weather changes and population declines would be borne out by these findings.
Makes me wonder if they looked for nanodiamonds in the strata of the oldest megaliths...
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Oooh, good thinkin’ BrewingFrog. Check this out, glee’.
Fascinating! Now that people are asking which came first, I want to know who was the first man, or woman, who started to sing? How did they know they could sing? What gave them the first idea to sing, rather than to shout, or to talk?
Due to their unpure blood, genetic abberations they were unable to produce the coming of Messiah through the blood/genetics of Jesus Christ.
I sincerely believe the Book of Enoch documents and explains the origin of pre-flood societies like Gobecki Tepe. Enoch himself describes the behavior of the fallen ones, who seek out and cultivate Enoch, because they want him to write down their apology to God for their crimes, which included genetic manipulation. Other pre-flood megoliths that exist are the Nazca lines in S. America.
Nothing changes, man still wants to play God
The Bible tells us that Abraham came from the city of UR of the Chaldeans. Does not specify that he was born there, from what I remember. So is this village that claims to be the birth place of Abraham moslem?
And if this hill top is in Southern Turkey, wouldn’t that be near to where the Mountains of Ararat, and therefore near where Noah landed?
I know it is not acceptable to link current digs to the bible, but it is curious that the villages claim and being in the area where Noah may have landed is interesting.
The Marxist believes culture is the product of the mind of man. The theist understands that God calls His creation to Himself. Culture is the shared response to the call of God to worship. That is what is primary in the human psyche. Obviously the very first structures beyond a bed and a roof were places to worship. Worship supplants all other human activity as essential and primordial. Why else would this be true than that God calls us to worship?
I also saw the NG article. After reading about the Natufian culture, it immediately occurred to me that this culture was probably destroyed by the same boloid event that started the Younger Dryas around 12 Kya. [SC - Time to link the Firestone book] It is like the quality of the GT was a link to the quality of the earlier cave paintings. GT is an upland site. Archeologists really need to be searching underwater along river mouths to find the continuity of that culture, the Natufians, and GT.
At one point I had the fantasy of starting a journal with the title “Underwater Archaeology, Exploration and Adventure”, with the goal of linking cooperation between the scuba diving world and professional archaeologists. It would be really helpful to get the scuba divers involved, with basic training in how not to damage potential finds and report them to the appropriate professionals. I suppose something similar could be done on line.
When Abraham lived in Ur, it was a seaside town. Today, that location is 100 miles inland.
"And if this hill top is in Southern Turkey, wouldn’t that be near to where the Mountains of Ararat, and therefore near where Noah landed?"
Yes.
"I know it is not acceptable to link current digs to the bible, but it is curious that the villages claim and being in the area where Noah may have landed is interesting. "
It is. I'm suprised at the 11,600 year old date. The Black Sea was still a landlocked fresh water lake at that time and about 500 feet lower than it is today.
Of all the images I've seen from the site, it's still the one of this reptile that amazes me most. It's so incredible in its detail.
This site is one featured on a recent series on the History Channel on Ancient Aliens. They note the precise cutting of the original ring stones and the location being difficult to maintain a large population necessary to manually raise and carve the stone.
But as this article states: “Bewilderingly, the people at Göbekli Tepe got steadily worse at temple building. The earliest rings are the biggest and most sophisticated, technically and artistically. As time went by, the pillars became smaller, simpler, and were mounted with less and less care. Finally the effort seems to have petered out altogether by 8200 B.C. Göbekli Tepe was all fall and no rise.”
Lets make an analogy to the ‘cargo cults’ of the Paicific islands where primitive societies were exposed to artifacts (planes & goods) from a more advanced society that dropped in, made some friends, and then took off. The islanders tried to lure them back with crude copies of the planes.
Now stay with my analogy for a minute: In Gobekli Tepe you have a second ring, less sophisticated than the first as skills are lost and then a third ring even more crudely done and finally when the ‘Gods” don’t come back, the religious loss of faith occurs and the effort is abandoned.
I love this stuff!
When they reach the top, their mouths flop open with amazement, making a line of perfect cartoon O's.
Who knew you could go to this windswept Turkish hill to find the Big O???
I don't know that this is so bewildering. I think of the knowledge that was known to the Classical world that was lost as Europe descended into the Dark Ages that wasn't found again until the Renaissance.
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