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End Near for Zimbabwe's Last White Farmers
VOA ^ | May 30, 2011 | Peta Thornycroft

Posted on 06/02/2011 7:47:24 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

Zimbabwean farmers attend a meeting of white commercial farmers in capital Harare

Zimbabwe's Supreme Court heard a case on behalf of three farmers who claimed the constitution excluded confiscation of their land because they bought their properties after the colonial era ended with independence in 1980.

The Supreme Court did not agree and quickly dismissed their application.

One of the farmers, Colin Cloete, a former president of the Commercial Farmers’ Union at the height of often violent land invasions seven years ago, was one of the applicants.

He, like many of his colleagues, has been arrested, harassed and appeared in court many times, to try to stay on his farm.

Like most surviving white farmers, the cost of going to court to try to fight his eviction has been unaffordable.

Looking back over the long and difficult years, Cloete, now 58, said his struggle to remain on his farm did not make economic sense.

“Economically we should have moved off then, at the beginning, as we would have been 10 years younger and that much more energetic,” said Cloete.

Cloete said he had begun looking looking for a house in Harare, not least so he could move his possessions to safety.

He said the land invasions launched after Mr. Mugabe lost a referendum in 2000 had hurt him and Zimbabwe’s economy, and no one had benefited from this except the elite in the ZANU-PF Party.

“We are treated like second-class citizens, we are treated like we are still just visitors to this place. My father was born in this country, before Mr. Mugabe, but I am still a visitor,” said Cloete.

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KEYWORDS: genocide; rhodesia; zimbabwe; zimbabwefarmers; zimbabwewhitefarmers; zimbabwewhites
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To: kearnyirish2

You don’t know how white rule can be maintained in a country that is 95% black. “turning over management to the blacks” - or respecting the wishes of the people as those who believe in democracy call it - was inevitable.

So instead of living in reality, its a good way for you to bash the nasty Brits. Who wouldn’t have been there at all if it wasn’t for colonialism. Something which Americans are not in support of remember. So many logical flaws in your posts its pretty amazing. Keep on replying, and i’ll look forward to helping you with them.


101 posted on 06/03/2011 4:02:30 PM PDT by Stolly
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To: kearnyirish2

My apologies, i assumed you were American-Irish, rather than actual Irish.


102 posted on 06/03/2011 4:04:23 PM PDT by Stolly
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To: ichabod1

They were better off than Africans in many other colonies, but the fact remains that most of the land was in white hands. I’m not justifying the white colony or the black resistance to it; it is irrelevant to me. I just don’t hink blacks revolted because they were tired of being treated so darn well...


103 posted on 06/03/2011 4:05:46 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: MinorityRepublican

Soon to be followed by America’s middle class.


104 posted on 06/03/2011 4:07:22 PM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: Stolly

Thank you very much for your instruction regarding British colonial benevolence. You are truly a master of the subject; perhaps you can start a monarchist party here for them.


105 posted on 06/03/2011 4:09:34 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: Stolly

There is no such thing as “American Irish”, unless one of your parents was Irish and one was American. I was born in Essex County, NJ, of parents of Irish descent, so I am “actual Irish”.

: )


106 posted on 06/03/2011 4:12:53 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: Betis70

Freddie Mercury’s family was booted from the island of Zanzibar as the British withdrew from East Africa; they moved to Britain. The Indians in the East African colonies were unceremoniously shown the door by the blacks, who felt that as the merchant class the Indians hadn’t actually contributed anything but rather profited from black labor; they weren’t allowed to take wealth with them.


107 posted on 06/03/2011 4:15:48 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: TruthConquers; kearnyirish2
...People who are used to the ‘rule of law’ like to think others agree.

This whole nations power structure doesn’t give a d@mn, yet how many Freepers here continue to think that the ‘rule of law’ still rules? ...


I've come to the conclusion that some people wouldn't see reality if it bonked them on the head.

Bezmenov was correct when he predicted that for some people:
You can not change their mind even if you expose them to authentic information. Even if you prove that white is white and black is black, you still can not change the basic perception and the logic of behavior.
108 posted on 06/03/2011 4:18:56 PM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Cathy Buckle:

http://www.cathybuckle.com/


109 posted on 06/03/2011 4:20:59 PM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: kearnyirish2
I’ve known for decades that the rule of law is irrelevant here as well; no white male has any misconception about how the law treats him in terms of employment/promotions, higher education, or interracial disputes of any kind.

I felt terrible about the individuals lost on 9/11, living a few miles west of the WTC in a town that lost people, but at the same time felt like I was watching a foreign group attack another foreign country that I happened to be living in.


Your post has captured my feelings of profound sadness. There are times I feel like wearing a black arm band mourning the country we used to have.

On 9-11 I was consulting in Edison at a company; many employees had relatives at the WTC. There was a TV in the conference room, on all day tuned to the only channel left that still broadcast out of Secaucus, not the WTC. I still remember the sound of the big black helicopters, the only air craft in the sky. The NJ Turnpike was free for about a week; your money was given back when you handed in your ticket.
110 posted on 06/03/2011 4:33:05 PM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: algernonpj

We watched from our office windows in NJ; it was bad, but at least we weren’t close enough to see the people falling/jumping. That day will effect many people in this area for the rest of their lives; so many towns in NJ lost some people, and so many people aged years in hours waiting to hear from loved ones working in that area.

It brought out the best in what we were, while demonstrating the flaws in what we had become as well; when mosques were allowed to open the next day, I knew America had lost the will to fight.


111 posted on 06/03/2011 4:39:43 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: OldNewYork

I don’t have a link; there are a large number of Portuguese in my neighborhood, many with first-hand knowledge of the wars and the peace. They are divided between those who came here to dodge the draft, and those who served and wouldn’t return to Portugal out of a sense of betrayal (the aftermath was bloody in some areas, especially for blacks who had served Portugal). The former fly the flags and speak fondly of how great Portugal is, while the latter fly American flags and don’t speak of Portugal at all.


112 posted on 06/03/2011 4:48:11 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: cherokee1

In all honesty, I think at this stage of the game armed resistance would be suicide. These thugs operate with the tacit support and approval of Mugabe’s people. The whites would just be slaughtered. The time to fight, for them, has long passed.

For us here, it is just approaching.


113 posted on 06/03/2011 4:54:54 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down!)
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To: kearnyirish2

Thanks, it’s interesting information in any event, and the plural of anecdote is data. That’s funny about the distinction too, draft-dodgers being nationalists only when it suits them on their terms.


114 posted on 06/03/2011 5:00:05 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: tiger63

Cradle of mankind...oh you gest...couldn’t be further from the truth...because of the PC that has infested our world today...I do not dare state the truth...let the African blacks have Africa...all whites exit immediately...let the blacks do what they do best...and NO western country give one more penny to support Africa in anyway OR allow any immigration from Africa...let’em figure it out for their selves...


115 posted on 06/03/2011 5:07:02 PM PDT by shield (Rev2:9 "Woe unto those who say they are Judah and are not, but are of the synaGOGue of Satan.")
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To: OldNewYork

I think they overcompensate a lot (as a person of Irish descent, I know many Irish do that as well); I can’t help but think of the scene in “The King & I” when the Thai students are upset at the relative size of Siam on the world map, which they had never seen before. I have no misconceptions about what either country was, and why our families left. I remember when I was in elementary school many of these children were in my classes; they had been born in Portugal, and came here as infants with their parents. They were the first people I met who had parents that didn’t speak English; most of the Italians and Poles were here for a longer period of time. Many of them still live in the area, too; Portuguese is probably the third largest language in the area after English & Spanish, though the recent immigration has been more from Brazil for Portuguese speakers and other South American countries (particularly Peru & Ecuador) for Spanish speakers.


116 posted on 06/03/2011 5:10:30 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2

Are you in Newark?


117 posted on 06/03/2011 5:18:18 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: MinorityRepublican
Sorry. I used to freak out about these stories. But, they are alarmism. If they were credible, Zimbabwe would've long since been like the killing fields of Cambodia. But, instead of genocide and famine, any news is always about the great golf courses, historic railway and nature tours. I used to make a fool of myself ranting at the foreign service people who said Zimbabwe was the best post in Africa. I thought they were coldblooded commie dupes. But, I was a naive consumer of whatever anti Mugabe snakeoil these people are selling.

Mugabe is a bloodstained commie tyrant. But, these doom and gloom stories are being peddled by people with an agenda. Take them with many grains of salt.

118 posted on 06/03/2011 5:18:29 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (I'd rather be Plaxico Burress than Sean Taylor)
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To: Lancey Howard

“...the same writing on the wall that can now be seen in places like South Africa and California.”

...and in Chicago, Atlanta, Miami, Houston, Oakland, New York, Philadelphia, etc.


119 posted on 06/03/2011 5:26:41 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: OldNewYork

Right outside it (Kearny); many of the Portuguese who initially settled in Ironbound Newark have since migrated into Harrison and Kearny (north of Ironbound, east of North Newark - basically between Newark & Jersey City, bordering both), and they’ve been replaced by many Brazilians and other South Americans in Ironbound Newark. The restaurants are still Portuguese owned, and the chefs and maitre de will be Portuguese, but the other staff seems to be almost exclusively South American (and not the W-2 type).

We’ve had a Portuguese-American mayor in Kearny for years now.


120 posted on 06/03/2011 5:30:11 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: MinorityRepublican

They need to start looking for a place to go.

Zimbabwe should be allowed to starve


121 posted on 06/03/2011 5:32:19 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Forgotten Amendments

If we look at the serious economic breakdown, hyper-inflation, murder rate, and White exodus, we’ll see that the doom and gloom predictions were pretty accurate even if short of Khymer Rouge horror.


122 posted on 06/03/2011 5:40:33 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: kearnyirish2

That makes a lot of sense. I didn’t get the W-2 reference though.

That event in 1974, the coup d’etat, or whatever the Portuguese version of a golpe is, had many reverberations. Losing Mozambique to communists and terrorists ended the rail link to the Indian Ocean as well as other support for Rhodesia, and things really accelerated downwards from that point. The Rhodesian dollar, even for all the economic war against the country, was worth more than the American dollar at that time, but look at the Zimbabwe dollar now - it’s not even legal tender any more, after printing trillion dollar notes before giving up on it and relying on other countries’ currencies.


123 posted on 06/03/2011 5:51:15 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: OldNewYork

They aren’t issued W-2s because they are “undocumented permanent guest workers”; sorry.

It was devastating to Portugal itself as well; the African colonies had a lot more potential (land, resources) than Portugal (in the same way Brazil had), and the return of so many settlers to Portugal at once was economically difficult.

On a side note, John Kerry’s wife was born in Mozambique.


124 posted on 06/03/2011 5:55:44 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2

She’s a Portuguese African? Interesting. I met a Jewish doctor from the Belgian Congo a little while ago - lots of people from countries that don’t really exist anymore.

I don’t know the motivation for the coup, but hindsight indicates it was shortsighted, maybe a coup of convenience, if there is such a thing? Those involved in it I think thought they were benefiting Portugal by cutting the colonies loose, since they were taking draft-age men away to sometimes die, and costing Portugal a great deal of money to retain against communist and Black terrorist operations - but in the end, less money than the resources from those colonies, which would also have benefited the former colonies, being managed by people who knew what they were doing, and knew what the resources were, or are, really.


125 posted on 06/03/2011 6:02:24 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: OldNewYork

The wars weren’t popular, they went on for years with no end in sight, and the demographics weren’t in their favor; France found that out the hard way in Indochina and especially Algeria (which they considered part of France itself). The odd thing in both Spain and Portugal is how far left they swung in reaction to the overthrow of the military government in Portugal and the nearly-simultaneous death of Franco in Spain; those countries very quickly became unrecognizable to immigrants who left shortly before those incidents. Many in my area still visit family there, and are disgusted (with both countries); to understand the reaction, these people came here from conservative countries, without the English language to acclimate them to the growing leftism here, and found themselves to the right of the popular cultures of both their adopted and home countries.


126 posted on 06/03/2011 6:17:40 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2

What do they think of this country now? They sound like they’d be as far-right overall as Americans with memories of pre-Castro Cuba.

I think this is also part of the reason White Zimbabweans were denied residency and citizenship in our country. The Democrats have constantly tried to keep their numbers up by importing them, and these immigrants wouldn’t have voted Democrat. And the Republican Party was only too happy to pretend like it didn’t matter and avoid any controversy.


127 posted on 06/03/2011 6:23:16 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: OldNewYork

As a collector of coins, stamps, and banknotes, I have a collection of these from a lot of “extinct” countries, along with other interesting ones. South Vietnam, Japanes-occupied Philippines and Indonesia, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, British East and West Africa, Portuguese India, Timor, Angola, and Mozambique (even a Brazilian one from the mid-1800s, though not in nice shape), Tsarist Russia, Kingdom of Serbia, Biafra, Rhodesia (both the colony and the short-lived independent state), Italian Somaliland, British India, Italian-occupied Albania, Nazi-occupied Greece, Danzig Free State, Poland pre-WWI (a “German-sector” piece and a “Russian-sector” piece; the latter has 2 denominations - rubles and zloty - on 1 coin)...sorry, I’m rambling.

I love history & geography; they explain today’s world.


128 posted on 06/03/2011 6:29:06 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2

Not at all. You’re right - it’s a very good way to understand why things are the way they are now.


129 posted on 06/03/2011 6:39:02 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: OldNewYork

As far as relatives of mine from Spain, they are horrified by the cultural shift; they are still very insulated from it, and tend to marry within the Spanish/Portuguese/Hispanic demographic. The older generation, which is slowly dying off, never really became assimilated (they don’t speak English, the women don’t drive, etc.); the younger ones can go either way, though tend to be more leftist than the parents.


130 posted on 06/03/2011 6:40:32 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2

That’s sad. Ever been to the grand old Hispanic Museum in far uptown Manhattan? I think they cover Lusitanian as well. And there must be some local historians in New Jersey for a population that size.


131 posted on 06/03/2011 6:43:40 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: OldNewYork

Had an uncle that worked as a bartender in NYC when I was young; he started me off before I was 10 by bringing me odds & ends that turned up in the register. I started looking for the countries on a map (I actually asked for a globe for Christmas when I was 12), then as I got older started researching the people designs on the stamps/coins/notes. I’ve tried to stimulate an interest in my children, but have had little success with that. It’s odd, when you consider that within a few minutes in any direction from my house you can meet people from dozens of countries, and eat food from doaens of countries; their class roster reads like a UN roll call.


132 posted on 06/03/2011 6:45:05 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: OldNewYork

No, I’ve never been, I think NJ will have things like that when those populations have been here as long. As it is, “The Feast” on Ferry Street in Newark is not something to be missed (though I haven’t gone in years); fifteen years ago, they’d block off the street (a main artery), and you could walk down the street with a bottle of nice green wine in your hand without being hassled (that is some kind of wine I believe they make before the grapes are fully ripe; it tastes like a less-bubbly champagne, almost). As Irish people our food has no taste (no spices), so everything you buy there is delicious (with garlic, saffron, etc.).


133 posted on 06/03/2011 6:50:35 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2

You can lead a horse to water, but...

This area definitely exposes you to many, many different perspectives on the world, from all over. I think this greater metropolis is classed as an Alpha++ ‘city’, one of only a couple or a few.


134 posted on 06/03/2011 6:53:42 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: OldNewYork

Despite the terrible reputation the area gets, I wouldn’t trade it for the world. I wish it was more conservative/taxpayer & family -friendly, and I love visiting places that are like that, but there’s something about living in an area that looks like something out of an Indiana Jones set (turbans, hookah-smokers, rabbits on the menu) that really makes it special...

I’ve got an early start tomorrow; it’s been interesting, and I’m glad to have made your acquaintance. Thanks!


135 posted on 06/03/2011 6:58:27 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2

Likewise. Good night, good weekend, and I’ll look for you again.


136 posted on 06/03/2011 7:05:38 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: OldNewYork

Looking forward to it; be safe.


137 posted on 06/03/2011 7:43:47 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: MinorityRepublican

bfl


138 posted on 06/03/2011 10:02:42 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman ("...; because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee,... "Hosea 4:6)
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To: familyop

I know, I was being facetious.


139 posted on 06/03/2011 10:35:59 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (We live two lives, the life we learn and the life we live with after that.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

It’s only racism if its happening to black people.

Now pay your taxes, the Rulers need a raise.


140 posted on 06/04/2011 6:29:36 AM PDT by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: reg45

I know a white immigrant to the US from South African who says he got a full-ride scholarship from Tulane for his senior year, once he got his citizenship. He also said the black clerk in the financial aid office was not amused when he showed up asking for an African-American scholarship application.


141 posted on 06/04/2011 6:51:31 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: MinorityRepublican

There aren’t many people who will say the truth here. When the White Farmers are gone, those who wanted them gone will starve or kill each other over who “rules” and who “works”. The same thing is going to happen here when bleeding-heart, Liberal Progressives finally get their way.

The truth is, SOMEONE has to have the business sense and the where-withal to provide jobs in order to support families and society.

When Liberal Progressives finally “give the farm” to people who won’t work and have no inclination to provide any service for their livelihood, we will go down the same path.

The American taxpayer is at the limits of the multitudes of slackers which they can or will support. That’s why traditionally American bedrock companies like Coca-Cola are making tracks to leave this country.

Newsflash to Libs: American entrapaneurs and business people will NOT bend over for you beyond a certain limit. Having the means to create jobs and tax revenue, they also have the means to go elsewhere and leave you with your numerous but totally useless base.


142 posted on 06/04/2011 9:49:51 AM PDT by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: kearnyirish2

So you are American then.


143 posted on 06/04/2011 10:39:00 AM PDT by Stolly
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To: kearnyirish2

I’d have to be American first, like you are.


144 posted on 06/04/2011 10:41:00 AM PDT by Stolly
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To: ladyjane

They will eat the seed and wipe their butts with the pages of the books. Vicious primitives.


145 posted on 06/04/2011 1:39:20 PM PDT by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

ping


146 posted on 06/04/2011 4:16:26 PM PDT by Ulysse
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To: MinorityRepublican

Zimbabwe about to descend into famine without white farmers.


147 posted on 06/04/2011 7:49:59 PM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: reg45
If they, the white farmers, came to the United States, would they be classified as African-American?

My daughter went to school with a girl who's family left South Africa and were very well off and very white. When she applied to college she suddenly was getting all these unsolicited offers for scholarships from excellent schools. The high school had her classified as "African American", and with her grades she was suddenly a hot item. So this WEALTHY kid from a priveledged family got a full ride to an Ivy League college...
148 posted on 06/04/2011 11:00:38 PM PDT by Kozak ("It's not an Election it's a Restraining Order" .....PJ O'Rourke)
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To: Admin Moderator

Thanks for keeping this in the sidebar. I would have missed it, otherwise.

It’s an important story.

:)


149 posted on 06/05/2011 4:03:45 AM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: Chickensoup

I just looked at a job posting from Citi; the top of the page shows a black man, a black woman, and an “off-white” woman, all smiling at the camera, with the words “Start a Job. Find a Career” at the bottom.

If someone wants to destroy this company’s offices I don’t think I’d have any friends or relatives among the deceased; Citi could go to war over it themselves.


150 posted on 06/05/2011 7:37:57 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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