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Electric cars not so green after all?
Hotair ^ | 06/13/2011 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 06/13/2011 1:56:53 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 06/13/2011 1:57:00 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: steelyourfaith; Red Badger

Ping.


2 posted on 06/13/2011 1:59:37 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: SeekAndFind

They are coal-burning cars. Shut off the coal, and the car stops. (Where the hell do people think electricity comes from?)


3 posted on 06/13/2011 2:00:32 PM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (You are just jealous because the voices aren't talking to YOU!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Forget green!.... they are death traps!....Where's Nader?
4 posted on 06/13/2011 2:00:47 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: SeekAndFind
A big thing for emergency/rescue people is that in an accident these cars have a lot of electric current available for random encounters, plus, in a wreck, the battery electrolytes are free to burn skin, etc.

The electric cars are a hazmat crew's worst enemy.

5 posted on 06/13/2011 2:01:31 PM PDT by capt. norm (Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves for they shall never run out of material. c)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ah, the refreshing sight of an article written by someone who actually knows science and engineering.

Read it and weep, oh libtards.

Right after you try for the third time to pass algebra 1.


6 posted on 06/13/2011 2:01:31 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: SeekAndFind

Libtards think that electricity comes from the wall.

It’s just there.


7 posted on 06/13/2011 2:03:08 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: samtheman

Just like “food comes from the store.”


8 posted on 06/13/2011 2:05:46 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: SeekAndFind
If it were possible, I'd much rather have a Stanley Steamer than an electric car and burn the coal in the car instead of at the power plant.


9 posted on 06/13/2011 2:06:49 PM PDT by capt. norm (Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves for they shall never run out of material. c)
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To: capt. norm; Da Coyote

From the article :

“If we want the most “green” solution for mass-produced energy in personal transportation, the answer is natural gas, not electric vehicles.”

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Question : How “safe” are natural gas powered vehicles compared to gasoline powered ones if (God forbid) they were to meet an accident?


10 posted on 06/13/2011 2:06:54 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: samtheman

Greens are for the most part morons or liars who ignor physics.
In any energy conversion there are losses from the mechanical and chemical energy that is used to produce the electricity.
A coal burning power plant is around 37% percent efficent. A nuclear plant is around 48%.
ANd hybrids are just the latest in the snob feel good and superior vehicles because they suffer from the same chemical to mechanical losses.


11 posted on 06/13/2011 2:09:22 PM PDT by Wooly
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To: Army Air Corps; marvlus; DollyCali; markomalley; Bockscar; Thunder90; Dr. Bogus Pachysandra; ...
Thanx for the ping Army Air Corps !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

12 posted on 06/13/2011 2:25:07 PM PDT by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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13 posted on 06/13/2011 2:26:16 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: SeekAndFind
How “safe” are natural gas powered vehicles compared to gasoline powered ones if (God forbid) they were to meet an accident?

Ask Honda, for starters. They make a CNG powered CIVIC that YOU can buy TODAY.
Then there are all the taxi cab companies that have converted, and many utility company and some state government vehicles.

In California, the big utlity company, Pacific Gas and Electric (PG&E) runs the vast majority of their vehicles with CNG.

In San Jose, the local bus company runs most of their vehicles on CNG, or are hybrid.

Then there is this:
Physical Properties: Yes, natural gas itself is a safer fuel than either gasoline or diesel fuel. It has a limited range of flammability, meaning it requires the correct mixture of air and fuel to burn—somewhere in the 5 to 15 percent range, and an ignition temperature of approximately 1100 degrees F. Compare that to gasoline and diesel fuel which both have lower concentrations of flammability and lower temperatures of ignition.
Fuel Density: Natural gas is lighter than air. If a leak were to develop, the gas would rise and disperse through the atmosphere giving little chance for ignition. Compare that to gasoline and diesel fuel, both of which are dense liquids that tend to pool and are easily ignitable.

The on-board tanks are made of steel up to one half-inch thick and often wrapped in protective reinforced fiberglass sheathing. Plus, newer tanks are constructed of polymers and composites that are stronger than steel.
Contrast this with standard gasoline and diesel tanks in regular vehicles. These tanks are usually made from stamped steel shell halves, just a few thirty-seconds of an inch thick, that are welded or crimped together. In the event of a traffic accident, the ability of rugged, durable CNG tanks to withstand rupture or puncture certainly exceeds that of simple stamped steel.

How about that?

14 posted on 06/13/2011 2:29:00 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

“Where the hell do people think electricity comes from?”

The plug in the wall :)

A quick liberal coal story - we have had a coal power plant battle in Kansas...and the lunatics in a very liberal city (Lawrence, KS) have been howling about the prospect of a new plant. They are very concerned that the power plant (200 miles away!) could pollute their air.

Most of them are too stupid to understand what that big building on the edge of town, with the steam coming out of it, is for. Their power just comes from unicorn farts.


15 posted on 06/13/2011 2:29:28 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t think they’ve considered the degraded performance of these batteries over time and how that will require more charges covering less distance.

It’s likely they create a net increase of CO2, but worrying about CO2 output is a stupid metric to judge a car by to begin with.

I would be more concerned with total cost of ownership over its lifetime, but I already know these are big losers in that regard.

Most green technology simply hides it’s costs and silently stabs you in the back financially by shifting the costs to different areas that are more difficult to calculate. (smoke and mirrors)


16 posted on 06/13/2011 2:35:39 PM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: muleskinner
Ask Honda, for starters. They make a CNG powered CIVIC that YOU can buy TODAY.

It is the Honda Civic GX. I drive the 2004 model. It is the best car I've ever owned and the fuel economy is awesome. I pay $1.25 per gallon of gas equivalent and I get over 30mpg AND I get to drive for free in the Express Lane during my 100 mile daily commute.

The Honda Civic GX has the cleanest burning engine of any mass produced vehicle on the road.

17 posted on 06/13/2011 2:40:49 PM PDT by Spiff
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To: lacrew
Most of them are too stupid to understand what that big building on the edge of town, with the steam coming out of it, is for.

Countless science-fiction authors have used the "decendants of a highly advanced civilization can no longer figure out how to fix the machinery" plot device. I no longer scoff at that story line.

18 posted on 06/13/2011 3:00:50 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: lacrew; Charles Martel
Most of them are too stupid to understand what that big building on the edge of town, with the steam coming out of it, is for.

Morlock food.

19 posted on 06/13/2011 3:06:12 PM PDT by N. Theknow (The MSM is to 0bama what the Broom-n-Scoop Detail is to a circus parade.)
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To: Spiff
Couple that with Phil http://www.autoobserver.com/2011/03/brc-fuelmaker-again-selling-phill-home-cng-fuel-station.html

and you're in business!

20 posted on 06/13/2011 3:09:56 PM PDT by erikm88
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