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Six Months After Tucson Shooting, White House Readies Gun Control Stance
foxnews.com ^ | 7 July, 2011 | Kelly Chernenkoff

Posted on 07/08/2011 3:49:57 AM PDT by marktwain

Friday marks six months since the Tucson shooting which severely injured Arizona Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and the White House is now hinting it's prepared to add its own voice to the gun control dialogue that tragedy reignited.

"As you know, the President directed the Attorney General to form working groups with key stakeholders to identify common-sense measures that would improve Americans' safety and security while fully respecting Second Amendment rights," White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said Thursday.

"That process is well underway at the Department of Justice with stakeholders on all sides working through these complex issues. And we expect to have some more specific announcements in the near future."

Carney didn't say how soon those announcements would come, nor what they might entail.

Immediately after the incident, which left six people dead and suspect Jared Lee Loughner in a federal prison hospital, eyes turned to the White House and whether the president might weigh in on the brewing Second Amendment debate.

The answer came in the form of an Arizona Daily Star Op-Ed penned by the president himself and printed on March 13.

Without taking sides in the debate, the president illustrated the consequences of the failings of the country's gun control system.

"[O]ne clear and terrible fact remains. A man our Army rejected as unfit for service; a man one of our colleges deemed too unstable for studies; a man apparently bent on violence, was able to walk into a store and buy a gun," he wrote of Loughner.

Mr. Obama laid out a centrist approach, appealing for common sense from both sides of the gun debate.

"Most gun-control advocates know that most gun owners are responsible citizens. Most gun owners know that the word 'commonsense' isn't a code word for 'confiscation,'" the president wrote.

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The concept that the government could or should only “allow” certain people to have guns stands the very concept of American jurisprudence on its head. It presumes that the government knows all, controls all, and should be doing so. It is wrong and ineffective. It is crazy to set up a huge expensive bureaucratic system, require everyone to jump though hoops and prove that they are *not* criminals in order to try, ineffectively, to prevent the few individuals who are not responsible, from having legal access to guns. This is a failed paradigm, and it should be abandoned. To accept the idea that the all gun sales should be monitored by the government, and only allowed to those it deems satisfactory is fundamentally wrong. The entire idea of the enterprise has always been the death of a thousand cuts, where the restrictions on who can buy, and where, and how and what are continually increased until the number of gun owners is reduced to political insignificance.
1 posted on 07/08/2011 3:50:05 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

The DOJ and this administration are CRIMINALLY NEGLIGENT for facilitating the flow of firearms into Mexico.

They have NO STANDING to craft restrictions on our rights while they break the law.


2 posted on 07/08/2011 3:58:31 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Exactly. This is one we are going to have to make sure we invoke.


3 posted on 07/08/2011 4:04:20 AM PDT by rlmorel ("Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions." Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: marktwain
with stakeholders on all sides

Yup, I bet they really do have all sides of the issue represented: both those who merely want to confiscate all guns and those who want to confiscate all guns AND execute all gun owners.
4 posted on 07/08/2011 4:07:35 AM PDT by tanknetter
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“[O]ne clear and terrible fact remains. A man our Army rejected as unfit for service; a man one of our colleges deemed too unstable for studies; a man apparently bent on violence, was able to walk into a store and buy a gun,” he wrote of Loughner.”

Had Dupnik, yes the same dumb ass liberal Sheriff as is in the middle of the SWAT murder of the ex marine in Arizona hadn’t protected Loughner, covered for his insanity because his mother was a friend, and co city government employee Jared Loughner would have been on the books as unstable, and a criminal, thus never been able to purchase the weapon through the legitimate means he did.

Dupnik’s own irresponsibility is a major reason the shooting occured as it did. Yes Loughner could have acquired the weapon through illegitimate means, but as nuts as he is might not have done so.


5 posted on 07/08/2011 4:08:07 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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"...Most gun-control advocates know that most gun owners are responsible citizens. Most gun owners know that the word 'commonsense' isn't a code word for 'confiscation,..." Holy crap. I don't think I have ever seen a bigger supply of BS in one sentence before.

Most gun-control advocates think people shouldn't have guns, period.

ANYONE with half a brain knows that the word "commonsense" coming out of Obama's mouth on ANY issue is a clear signal that what follows is a complete falsehood.

Just unbelievable.

6 posted on 07/08/2011 4:08:27 AM PDT by rlmorel ("Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions." Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: marktwain

Go for it, commies.

Gun control has always been such a winner for y’all at the polls.

The Demon-commie-RATS can’t control themselves. They will always overreach.

If they pass any gun control legislation, folks who would normally sit out an election of the lesser of two evils, will come out of the woodwork just to vote against the Demon-commie-RATS.

Go for it, Demons, go for it.


7 posted on 07/08/2011 4:13:09 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Criminally negligent? No, negligence is when you fail to take reasonable action.

What they’ve done is commit numerous crimes in America and other countries under the color of law. They need to be tried and upon conviction given the death penalty.


8 posted on 07/08/2011 4:16:25 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: rlmorel

Who says Obama has any commonsense, I sure haven’t seen any evidence of it.


9 posted on 07/08/2011 4:21:26 AM PDT by SirFishalot
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It's good to see that O’bambi has a single focus on Jobs! Jobs! Jobs!! Besides that, it must have been perfectly legal for Loughner to shoot up the group and kill 7 people, so obviously, more laws are needed.
10 posted on 07/08/2011 4:31:47 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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Our Founders had a lot of ‘commonsense’ ideas but Barry still thinks that Karl Marx had better ones.
11 posted on 07/08/2011 4:37:03 AM PDT by JPG (Elect Sarah Palin in '12. America won't get another chance.)
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The DOJ has no credibility on this issue. F&F is going to bring Holder and his ilk down. And I hope it includes the President, Clinton, etc.


12 posted on 07/08/2011 4:40:13 AM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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I guess if one lives in Mexico or Honduras and works for the drug cartels and marxists, then the US government will give you free firearms. The rest will have their guns confiscated.


13 posted on 07/08/2011 4:42:12 AM PDT by penelopesire (Let The Congressional Hearings Begin!)
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To: penelopesire

If one has even the inkling they do not have enough hi cap magazines, better go get them right now because the run will begin at the hint the Kenyan and his minions are engaged on the firearms issue. Same for ARs and for any large volume of ammo want might need.

I cannot wait for these neomarxists to be gone from the political arena.


14 posted on 07/08/2011 5:04:52 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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The government has been running guns to Mexico and Honduras, something they have been accusing private citizens of doing and now they want to take guns away from the citizens. We don't need gun control we need government control.
15 posted on 07/08/2011 5:08:54 AM PDT by Americanexpat (Everytime I see that guy's face ot)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Obomba didn’t learn anything from his F&Fgate scrimmmage with gun control? Now he is going to double down on the whole country? Is he going to give us all illegal firearms ‘under the radar’ to prove some delusional objective?


16 posted on 07/08/2011 5:14:36 AM PDT by abclily
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That's is the way he works. Guess what it works. He got 0care through when most thought it was dead. Today he is going to double down on the budget and the Reps are going to roll over and do his bidding.
17 posted on 07/08/2011 5:19:21 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Morgan at Cowpens.)
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To: abclily

Project Gunwalker = Gleiwitz incident = Reichstag fire

Gunwalker will have the same results, because Congress did not have the integrity or balls to bust the Clinton Crime Cartel, either.

No matter what Issa and Grassley do, even if it results in Obama and Holder’s impeachment, the votes are not there.

Those who ignore history are condemned to repeat it.


18 posted on 07/08/2011 5:22:05 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: Westbrook

No, that’s all wrong, it’s all changed now. The NRA has Harry Reid and the dems wrapped around their little pinkie finger - just ask them. /s


19 posted on 07/08/2011 5:30:24 AM PDT by OKSooner (You can buy a plate of tacos but you can't buy a friend.)
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To: marktwain; All
Let’s Translate the Bovine excrement and gains some insights on what the National Socialist Democrats have in store for US:

Quoting Obama: “

Most gun owners know that the word ‘commonsense’ isn't a code word for ‘confiscation,”

Translation: This is just a step toward my ultimate goal of confiscation, but I’m trying to sucker punch your sense of logic with a falsehood that is 180 degrees out of phase with my true intentions.

Quoting the National Socialists some more:

If it does, perhaps a look at the president's op-ed issued the day before Carney's remarks will offer insight as to what kind. “The National Instant Criminal Background Check System is the filter that's supposed to stop the wrong people from getting their hands on a gun. Bipartisan legislation four years ago was supposed to strengthen this system, but it hasn't been properly implemented,” he noted.

[Isn’t it nice of them to telegraph their true intentions? But how do they define ‘stop the wrong people’?]

Translation: We can’t implement our ultimate goal of grabbing your guns without a couple of intermediate steps, namely having Feral Government oversight on every gun transfer. Therefore we’re going to pretend to protect your rights while we incrementally take them away.

Having governmental control of how you buy and sell private property will get you used to the idea of getting our permission in owning a gun and it will facilitate grabbing them later on after we rescind that permission (Registration).

20 posted on 07/08/2011 5:35:16 AM PDT by Voice of Reason88 ( Freedom is never lost all at once - Edmund Burke)
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