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More than 80 killed at youth camp - Police (Norway)
http://www.vg.no/ ^ | 22/7 2011

Posted on 07/22/2011 7:09:28 PM PDT by Eurotwit

Oslo Police having a press conference now.

Saying at least 80 kids have been massacred.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: breivik; massacre; norway; oslo
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To: Freddd

In one report I read that he had “an eastern dialect” and in another I read that he was an “ethnic Norwegian”. What is an ethnic Norwegian?


201 posted on 07/22/2011 8:13:43 PM PDT by acoulterfan
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To: Eurotwit

A swedish article. I don’t have the link at hand, but you should find it easy enough if you google “Breivik” and the name of either site. The journalist has, I think, the pseudonym wrong, as a man with that handle posted after Breivik’s arrest, so it is to be taken with a grain of salt.


202 posted on 07/22/2011 8:13:53 PM PDT by Atlantic Friend
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To: macquire

Nows not the time dude.


203 posted on 07/22/2011 8:13:55 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Atlantic Friend
Spencer says it isn't so...

You are propagating falsehoods. Fjordman is not Anders Breivik. I know who Fjordman is, I have met him, I know his name, and he is not now and never has been Anders Breivik. What's more, he is commenting tonight over at Gates of Vienna, and just answered an email from me about these very lies. So he is clearly not under arrest.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Spencer statement on JihadWatch

204 posted on 07/22/2011 8:13:59 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Eurotwit
It would be possible to get there from the bombing to the island.

In fact the timing “fits”...

Eurotwit, I am starting to go back to my original thought of two or three perps. One perp does not fit ... based upon the number of devices found and the ability to move the necessary ammunition and firepower to carry out the attack on the island. It would seem someone would have been more alert after the initial bomb going off ... I could be wrong yet the pieces, for me, do not fit.

205 posted on 07/22/2011 8:14:12 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: RC one

Islamics claim anything. Earthquakes, forrest fires.

Besides I think they have already retracted their “admission” if you believe intelligence websites.


206 posted on 07/22/2011 8:14:47 PM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: gman992

From what I read he was fed up with the Norwegian ruling-class’s refusal to confront the Muslim problem, so therefore he decided to kill THEIR children.


207 posted on 07/22/2011 8:15:48 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: macquire

What sort of utter gobshite are you?

sod off.


208 posted on 07/22/2011 8:15:48 PM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: RC one
"Ansar al-Jihad’s Abu Sulayman al-Nasir allegedly posted a message claiming responsibility for the Oslo attacks..."

They have a very interesting looking "operative". They are either extremely ingenious or they "claimed" the massacre before the numbers where out.

209 posted on 07/22/2011 8:17:12 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: no-to-illegals
It would seem someone would have been more alert after the initial bomb going off ...

Breivik apparently diabolically used the initial bomb to help the island massacre; he showed up and said he was there BECAUSE of the threat from the earlier bombing to provide security, and asked the kids to gather around...then he started shooting.

210 posted on 07/22/2011 8:18:19 PM PDT by Strategerist (There is only so much stupidity one man can prevent - Andrew Marshall)
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To: acoulterfan

Norway has many different dialects. Eastern Norwegian aka Oslo dialect is the most common around the capital and is close to our equivalent of standard American English.


211 posted on 07/22/2011 8:18:19 PM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit

From the shooting or died trying to swim away? Do they have full auto rifles in Norway or did this guy have some from the black market?

Sounds like there is more than one shooter.


212 posted on 07/22/2011 8:18:48 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: RC one

Agree, except that they claimed it BEFORE the event.


213 posted on 07/22/2011 8:18:59 PM PDT by SuzyQue
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

That’s what I told Eurotwit. The handle is wrong (for both Jihad Watch and Gates of Vienna actually, if I’m not mistaken). Whether his posting articles on these sites is as well, I guess we’ll all know tomorrow. Breivik is alive and probably babbling about how what he did is 110% A-okay, his flat has been searched by the police, his social networking should come out easily.


214 posted on 07/22/2011 8:19:02 PM PDT by Atlantic Friend
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To: eastforker

Several in the U.S., many more around the world.

Even a cop will admit that if you have a suspicion that a cop trying to pull you over is fake, the best response is to call 911 and report it if you can, or drive to the nearest police/fire station.

Fake (and even real) cops particularly like this ploy for rape, murder is less common.


215 posted on 07/22/2011 8:19:10 PM PDT by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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To: no-to-illegals
I too am having second thoughts on a lone wolf doing the entire setup as more information comes in.

We all know there are "sleeper cells" throughout the world, and who they are obviously is unknown for the most part. Because of the great strides Islam has made into many countries and into political positions I doubt those infilitrating the rank and files of governance would have their fingerprints on this...too risky...so they would farm out the nasty work to others....pending on where this whole thing began. It had a starting point...and there were warnings for awhile this might take place...although I doubt any suspected the slaughter on the Island.

216 posted on 07/22/2011 8:19:33 PM PDT by caww
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To: Earthdweller

I wasn’t clear in my earlier comment.

Yuor comment scares me if the anger is misdirected. And I’m seeing signs that it is intentionally being misdirected. (I’m not just following here, although Free Republic is most up to speed, by far.)

Going to violate Godwin’s rule: think Reichstag (sp?) fire.

If the anger is properly directed, then unleashed the Hounds of War!


217 posted on 07/22/2011 8:20:53 PM PDT by piytar (The Obama Depression. Say it early, say it often. Why? Because it's TRUE.)
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To: funfan
I have not seen much or any coverage of this on TV am I missing something?

US media seemed to have dropped it in favor of covering Congress; actually, I suspect that the guy is apparently NOT Muslim has actually caused it to be covered LESS here - complete opposite of the "media conspiracy" claims.

218 posted on 07/22/2011 8:21:05 PM PDT by Strategerist (There is only so much stupidity one man can prevent - Andrew Marshall)
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To: Eurotwit

I’m sorry. I don’t know what else to say.


219 posted on 07/22/2011 8:21:35 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: SuzyQue
Well, bombs can be timed to go off at certain time frames and not require an individual be on site. So who knows at this point how it was coordinated....time will reveal that.
220 posted on 07/22/2011 8:21:53 PM PDT by caww
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To: nuconvert

and I don’t give a crap about your family background either,

AND since I am 50% NORWEGIAN I believe I have a RIGHT to complain about Norwegians.

Now shut up.


221 posted on 07/22/2011 8:22:19 PM PDT by macquire
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To: caww

OR.... he was just a lone nut who wasn’t a Muslim at all. Muslims are not at the heart of EVERY diabolical act carried out in the world. 90%+ maybe, but not all.


222 posted on 07/22/2011 8:22:31 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: A. Morgan

Thanks.


223 posted on 07/22/2011 8:22:55 PM PDT by SuzyQue
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To: Eurotwit

If this is the guy (not saying he isn’t). I suspect that there were signs before hand.

How was his personal life? Did anyone in his circle of friends notice anything? People don’t just snap, it is a process.

This was planned and executed by someone who put a lot of thought into it. Not by a guy who had a bad day and went over the hill. There where signs.


224 posted on 07/22/2011 8:23:03 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: caww

“the gunman, talked in headset during massacre.”

I noticed that, too.


225 posted on 07/22/2011 8:23:05 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Eurotwit

heard on fox news toonite the death toll is 87. 7 in oslo and 80 on the island. said the shooter used a pistol. did they mean a machine pistol? aka machine gun.


226 posted on 07/22/2011 8:23:05 PM PDT by 1st Division guy
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

You forget about Beslan brought to you by the RoP!


227 posted on 07/22/2011 8:23:29 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: redroller

Not necessary for aimed shots, particularly if the victims are crowded together.
Very small island, lots of defenseless victims, and apparently zero security in place.

The scum had all the time he needed, the kids are victims of an unrealistic mindset that “All is well, we have no worries” as much as the lunatic who shot them.

Sickening.


228 posted on 07/22/2011 8:24:11 PM PDT by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard; Atlantic Friend; FromLori; Eurotwit

Fjordman is not Anders Breivik.
///
THIS is Fjordman:

Fjordman: Why Islam Must Be Expelled From The West
Europe News ^ | 12/23/2010 | Fjordman
“Islam is more totalitarian than the most totalitarian ideologies that have ever existed in the Western world.”
Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2010 4:59:36 PM by FromLori
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2646880/posts

Rape: Nothing to do with Islam?
“my posts about the Norwegian government covering up the number of rapes committed by immigrants. The Swedish government is probably even worse, but Sweden is in many ways collapsing. “
http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/08/rape-nothing-to-do-with-islam.html


229 posted on 07/22/2011 8:24:27 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: macquire
Excuse me? It was the NORWEGIANS that gave Obama the Nobel Peace Prize....

I rest my case.

So because the Norwegians gave Obama the Nobel prize, their spokespeople are lying about something?

I'm not following your logic.

230 posted on 07/22/2011 8:24:29 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Eurotwit

80? Ffs where is the mercy. :(


231 posted on 07/22/2011 8:25:03 PM PDT by moshiach
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To: Eurotwit
That would make it about 60 degrees F, about the same temperature as the water in most caves.

Children chill more quickly, and the loss of core heat is the enemy in the water--still not as formidable as the one on land.

An hour (or less for smaller children) in the water, and the kids would be shivering uncontrollably--very hard staying afloat. If the shooter had (and was capable with) a rifle/submachine gun, it would be very difficult to get far enough offshore to avoid being shot while coming up for air, and then difficult to stay out there long enough to escape.

When we were Cub Scouts, we learned to surface and submerge silently, but that is training few children ever get.

Regardless of the parents' political views, this is a horrible event. My condolences to you and all of Norway.

232 posted on 07/22/2011 8:25:12 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: macquire

wrong time, wrong place


233 posted on 07/22/2011 8:25:19 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Eurotwit
I wonder if he was planning to get caught alive, and then use the trial and his new publicity to explain and pontificate. That could get ugly…
234 posted on 07/22/2011 8:25:32 PM PDT by cartan
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To: macquire

You Are an A$$


235 posted on 07/22/2011 8:25:34 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: driftdiver

I saw a lot of baby clothing strewn around mass graves south of Baghdad. One grave held the bodies of a mother holding her baby, both shot in the head and the baby still had a pacifier in his mouth.


236 posted on 07/22/2011 8:25:59 PM PDT by jesseam (Been there, done that)
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To: driftdiver

They had no problem killing Russian children a few years ago.


237 posted on 07/22/2011 8:25:59 PM PDT by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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To: Strategerist
perhaps, but he had to make the ferry ride over. Police should have already been on alert to the possibilities regarding the island after the initial attack. Ammo and firepower traveling with a uniformed perp should have been noticed by someone as not fully on the up and up. Unless someone on the ferry knew and covered? I am speculating, and I realize speculation is not always proper. Someone should have been able to think clearly before the second attack. Do we know that ammo and weapons were not hidden on the island for the attack? Doubtful. This level of planning has me thinking more than a lone wolf. Maybe I am wrong, yet someone should and I am certain someones are investigating this possibility and others. At least I pray this is what is taking place.
238 posted on 07/22/2011 8:26:09 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Revolting cat!
video games, the violent movies and “music”. Hard to admit, but that’s what it is.

The popularity of realistic first-person shooter computer games has pretty much tracked exactly with declines in the violent crime rate in the US.

239 posted on 07/22/2011 8:26:24 PM PDT by Strategerist (There is only so much stupidity one man can prevent - Andrew Marshall)
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To: macquire

I didn’t say the people I know are among the dead, did I now you wanker? I said I knew a few brave Norwegian soldiers and their absolutely awesome families. Guys and girls who have served and are serving in Afghanistan who would take none too kindly to be called spoiled rotten. Have a great night, jerk.


240 posted on 07/22/2011 8:27:48 PM PDT by NikkiB
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To: piytar

Perp’s pic at: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ushome/index.html


241 posted on 07/22/2011 8:28:21 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: Atlantic Friend

Charles Johnson is the one spreading the Fjordman lie. What a magnificent scumbag the ponytail is...

I hope Fjordman sues his ass.


242 posted on 07/22/2011 8:28:57 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: no-to-illegals

So you’re a policeman (or a ferry worker) and you just heard about some sort of explosion in Oslo. So you’re worried about a blonde guy speaking native Norwegian on a ferry?

You’re making the assumption that there are any police on the ferry or at the ferry terminal. I seriously doubt that. Norway isn’t Israel.


243 posted on 07/22/2011 8:29:26 PM PDT by Strategerist (There is only so much stupidity one man can prevent - Andrew Marshall)
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To: Lancey Howard

“One armed adult with one bullet could have stopped this massacre.”

One brave, determined, possibly self-sacrificing armed adult with one bullet could have stopped this massacre.
Or even an improvised weapon.
I find it hard to believe there were zero security personnel on this island.


244 posted on 07/22/2011 8:29:37 PM PDT by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Breslan links in 192.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2752667/posts?page=192#192


245 posted on 07/22/2011 8:29:49 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: Eurotwit
The perp had three legal guns.... THIS will change Norway for a long time....

It sounds like the people on the island were sitting ducks. Trapped with nowhere to hide. Was there any security there at all?

I have to wonder, if there had been just one armed citizen there (other than the criminal), would we be seeing a much lower number of murders?
In New York City some years ago, a man with a machete began to hack people to death on the Staten Island ferry. Luckily, a retired cop was on board, and he just happened to have a gun on him. He ended the killing spree by threatening the machete man with the gun. Two people died from the machete wounds, but it could have been much worse.

My sympathies to the families of the dead, and to all Norwegians.

246 posted on 07/22/2011 8:31:13 PM PDT by shhrubbery!
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To: Loyal Sedition
I find it hard to believe there were zero security personnel on this island.

So every summer camp in the woods in this country has armed security personnel?

247 posted on 07/22/2011 8:31:22 PM PDT by Strategerist (There is only so much stupidity one man can prevent - Andrew Marshall)
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To: eastforker

I heard something about school buses missing in the US? Does anyone remember how many are missing?


248 posted on 07/22/2011 8:31:40 PM PDT by proudtobeanamerican1 (A house divided against itself cannot stand.” Abraham Lincoln)
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To: macquire

And you would be right macquire if this were a thread about norwegian politics. But it’s not. This thread is about a horrible tragedy. Not a thread to brag about your heritage to conjure up some rights to bash with your broad brush.


249 posted on 07/22/2011 8:31:46 PM PDT by Boxsford (God Is.)
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To: funfan
I have not seen much or any coverage of this on TV am I missing something?

Few if any of the 24 hour news channels have any live programming past about 9:00 or 10:00 pm in the US. And Sky News just started scrolling the news at the bottom of the screen, while continuing to rerun earlier coverage over and over.

250 posted on 07/22/2011 8:32:29 PM PDT by Will88
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