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Death Toll Rises to 91 in Norway
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Posted on 07/23/2011 1:39:46 AM PDT by quesney

The Norwegian police on Saturday charged a 32-year-old man, whom they identified as a Christian fundamentalist with right-wing connections, over the bombing of a government center here and a shooting attack on a nearby island that together left at least 91 people dead. Multimedia

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SCANPIX, via Associated Press Deadly explosions shattered windows on Friday at the government headquarters in Oslo, which includes the prime minister’s office. A spokeswoman for Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg said he was safe. More Photos » The police said they did not know if the man, identified in the Norwegian press as Anders Behring Breivik, was part of a larger conspiracy. He is being questioned under the country’s terrorism laws and is cooperating with the investigation, they said.

“We are not sure whether he was alone or had help,” a police official, Roger Andresen, said at a televised press conference, adding: “What we know is that he is right-wing and a Christian fundamentalist.” So far Mr. Breivik has not been linked to any anti-jihadist groups, he said.

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To: quesney

Ahh...the old “right wing Christian Nationalist” ploy.... beginning to see just exactly whom the NWO/UN has identified as its opposition.


101 posted on 07/23/2011 4:13:02 AM PDT by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you do not, no explanation is possible")
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To: chuckles

Men are ineligible to join masonry if they have any conviction for an offense greater than 90 days. And murder and treason are forbidden.


102 posted on 07/23/2011 4:15:00 AM PDT by healy61
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To: Gondring

You are one of the strangest people on this site. What are your beliefs? Why do you hate Christians? Why are you here in subterfuge?


103 posted on 07/23/2011 4:15:23 AM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Did one guy do all the shooting?

That is one of the big questions. Some survivors claim at least two shooters. According to one paper a man, 1.80 tall, dark hair, nordic looking, no police uniform, took part in the killing.

Norwegian police has not ruled out a second killer.

However, one should remember that all the witnesses are confused and shocked, and the MSM is running around like head-less chickens looking for new angles, so everything has to be taken with a grain of salt.

104 posted on 07/23/2011 4:16:17 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Uncle Ike
Some eerie similarities here to the OU bomber??

Oddly enough, what's going on reminds me of the JFK assasination and how specific and particular information about Oswald emerged quickly from a choatic situation. Something just doesn't smell right here...

105 posted on 07/23/2011 4:17:37 AM PDT by csense
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

No lie. As time goes on, 1940’s era city busting weapons will become a part of our day to day life. Maybe not for another 20+ years, but it’ll happen.


106 posted on 07/23/2011 4:17:50 AM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: quesney

“Gideon’s Trumpet” alert.


107 posted on 07/23/2011 4:18:14 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand ("America will cease to be great when America ceases to be good." -- Welcome to deToqueville.)
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To: Scanian

The left has been in control for about 10 years and there have been some high profile immigration cases and he could be pissed off at them for letting all the muzzies in Norway.


108 posted on 07/23/2011 4:19:54 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: ScaniaBoy

I hope that is sarcasm. How much time does he have to serve before getting parole, and can he gat time off for good behavior?


109 posted on 07/23/2011 4:20:33 AM PDT by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: cripplecreek

No, it isn’t, but you can bet the US press will try to sell it that way. The differences need to be exposed and shown time and again.


110 posted on 07/23/2011 4:20:53 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: ScaniaBoy

At 35 E school, I had a buddy who was dula citizen from Sweden. He witnessed the Prime Minster getting killed IIRC. The guy was out of Swedish Prison in less than 15 years. Imagine if Sirhan Sirhan or Hinkley were out of prison now, free as a bird, living on the government dole.


111 posted on 07/23/2011 4:21:07 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Forget the Lawyers....first kill the journalists! - Die Ritter, die sagen, nee)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

I wanted to use this as the central point of a facebook post about this to friends. But what is that story actually about?

“police are seeking charges, state broadcaster NRK reported Friday”?

They were arrested last July. The new information seems to just be “police are seeking charges, state broadcaster NRK reported Friday”

If he is some kind of evil genius to bomb and murder 90 single handed, why would a genius put up a Facebook page **5 days before** to incriminate his “beliefs”? This has setup written all over it.


112 posted on 07/23/2011 4:23:10 AM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: DCBryan1

I thought Hinkley did get ‘furloughs’.


113 posted on 07/23/2011 4:23:10 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Hieronymus

No, unfortunately it isn’t. I think if he is sentenced to 21 he can get out after 14, but you’ll have to ask a Norwegian to confirm that.


114 posted on 07/23/2011 4:23:14 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ExSoldier
since the US Senate has been most uncooperative in that arena as of yesterday it seems...

What did the US Senate do on gun control yesterday? or are you talking about them tabling the budget bill?

Thanks!

115 posted on 07/23/2011 4:25:47 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Forget the Lawyers....first kill the journalists! - Die Ritter, die sagen, nee)
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To: bjorn14

So why kill white kids?


116 posted on 07/23/2011 4:28:13 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: quesney
This is absolutely horrible, but I believe the American press is really getting the real story all twisted ( or should I say spinned?).

First, in Norway there has been a controversy about mosque building for quite a while. Last year Norwegian foreign minister, Jonas Gahr Støre, proclaimed that he will not allow Saudi Arabia to finance or build any mosques in Norway because of the laws in Saudi Arabia that deny basic religious freedoms. This also includes money from Saudi citizens being used for mosque building.

So I doubt that someone with Christianity as his core religious belief would commit such an act of violence. It makes no sense. Certainly it makes more sense that someone sympathetic to Muslims would do such a thing...if the perp is a Muslim, or supporter of Islamic terrorists.

Secondly, I thought that in Norway "right wing" was the opposite of our right wing here. In Europe I thought "right wingers" were the equilivant of our far "left wingers" as related to political ideals. Has this changed? It would not surprise me if the media purposely overlooked the difference and decided to allow it to be misunderstood.

117 posted on 07/23/2011 4:28:20 AM PDT by CitizenM (He who is silent is understood to consent)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
In all fairness, the police searched the man’s residence after the incident. It’s entirely possible the police took hold of literature, media, and lilely his computer. I really don’t think the Norwegian police are part of some vast conspiracy. Furthermore, the suspect is said to be cooperating. The dust will settle in a few days, and then we’ll see.

What the police have is immaterial to what the media will report. Remember when Ted Kaczynski was a ring wing nutjob? Even though the police had his manifesto showing he was a left wing environmentalist nutjob, they still reported him as a right winger. Shortly after it was revealed he was a lefty, and right up to today, you never hear about about him. But god forbid anybody forget about the OKC bombing and Tim McVeigh.

Isn't it interesting that whenever it is a muslim fundamentalist, the media makes all kinds of excuses, or say thet they acted alone. They never call for stronger measures against muslim fundamentalists. But as soon as it might be someone with potential "conservative" leanings, we need to ban all guns and investigate all "conservatives". It gets old.

118 posted on 07/23/2011 4:28:32 AM PDT by Go Gordon (One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: DCBryan1

No, that’s not correct. The PM’s murderer has never been convicted. They got one man convicted in a lower court, but the sentence was overturned in the higher court.


119 posted on 07/23/2011 4:28:56 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: CitizenM

I always thought that too!! That it was backwards in Europe as far as political beliefs.


120 posted on 07/23/2011 4:30:28 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: GeronL

Damn straight.


121 posted on 07/23/2011 4:30:28 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

...they already reported his tweeter and facebook page was set up just a couple weeks before he carried this out with the idea this happening would occur and knowledge that facebook and tweeter would be looked at.


122 posted on 07/23/2011 4:31:05 AM PDT by caww
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To: Smokin' Joe

I don’t care what the guy is, this has absolutely nothing to do with right wingers in America in any way, shape, or form.


123 posted on 07/23/2011 4:33:23 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Tolsti2

The guy was heard saying ...”This is Only the beginning”...

another report said he shot many then came back about half an hour later to where they were after shooting others he had been running after, those who tried to escape..... and shot more.


124 posted on 07/23/2011 4:39:32 AM PDT by caww
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To: Palter

I reckon you can call yourself whatever you like; but sayin’ it don’t make it so!


125 posted on 07/23/2011 4:41:10 AM PDT by old school
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To: quesney
I believe that is is muzzies and I think that time will prove that out. Norway does not want an outright war with the muzzies in their country and there are some Norwegians that would decrease the population of camel humpers if things got out of hand. Believe nothing until proved beyond any doubt. We already have a radical islamic group claiming responsibility. Previous arrests of al qaeda linked persons thought to be associated with this plot have already taken place... according to one British source I heard over Short Wave (BBC).

LLS

126 posted on 07/23/2011 4:42:27 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH"! I choose LIBERTY and PALIN!)
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To: autumnraine

A third degree Mason.....of course they’ve issued a statment that they cannot speak about anything concerning this man. Which is generally a level most can reach easily...and designed so they can do just that. But he would have had to go thru their rituals/rites...which themselves are pretty morbid.


127 posted on 07/23/2011 4:43:19 AM PDT by caww
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To: healy61

That would depend on more than just the rule book....other elements come into play the deeper one gets into Masonary.


128 posted on 07/23/2011 4:45:08 AM PDT by caww
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To: quesney
First, I find it almost impossible to believe he was a Christian of any kind, and those facebook pages could have been put up at anytime yesterday after the horror. I'm sure there are plenty of lefty loons that would love to spin this against their political enemies.

Secondly, I find it difficult to comprehend that they openly indoctrinate their youth into particular political beliefs. As a state function, no less. It gives me the creeps.
129 posted on 07/23/2011 4:47:33 AM PDT by ZX12R
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WHO TAUGHT THIS MAN HOW TO MAKE THE BOMB??? I just DO NOT believe that a "Christian" is going to shoot down in cold blood a bunch of children who have absolutely nothing to do with Islamic submission and jihad!!
130 posted on 07/23/2011 4:50:13 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Ron Paul is to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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To: MestaMachine

Where you been? Have been waitin and waiting for you to chime in on this....

They aren’t going to speak of Muslim involvement even if there is some, which I tend to think so....too risky for a country with so many in it and they are not going to stir things up in the Muslim community there.


131 posted on 07/23/2011 4:50:36 AM PDT by caww
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To: Bon mots

132 posted on 07/23/2011 4:51:23 AM PDT by moshiach
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To: RaceBannon

We’ll see, but don’t let the ‘no true scotsman’ falacy take over. This may have been an evil genius type with any twisted view or nihilism.


133 posted on 07/23/2011 4:52:57 AM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: quesney

Consider the source and you won’t consider it news.


134 posted on 07/23/2011 4:53:36 AM PDT by RoadTest (Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
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To: marthemaria
The cops new there were explosives and did not want to enter the island.

That is incrediable!

135 posted on 07/23/2011 4:58:42 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
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To: RoadTest

” Consider the source and you won’t consider it news. “

It’s ‘news’, in that it sets in stone (*because* of the source) the ‘narrative’ that will hold sway in all subsequent media reporting - regardless of any new facts or ‘truth’ that may be revealed....


136 posted on 07/23/2011 5:00:46 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
This isn't the first time we have had such mass killings of school children in Scandinavia and Finland. Remember the Jokela school shooting
137 posted on 07/23/2011 5:01:33 AM PDT by kabar
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To: allmost

Agreed. There are many people in this country who haven’t even heard of Norway yet. These aren’t the people who will attack us.


138 posted on 07/23/2011 5:03:28 AM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: quesney
identified as a Christian fundamentalist

Funny how they never describe Koranic terrorists as "Islamic fundamentalists" when the fundamentals of that religion command terrorist acts. Instead, the NYT assures us that murder and mayhem is fundamental of the New Testament and Islam is a religion of peace.

139 posted on 07/23/2011 5:03:29 AM PDT by Perchant
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To: Perchant

> the NYT assures us that murder and mayhem is fundamental of
> the New Testament and Islam is a religion of peace.

Nobody who has contrasted the New Testament with the Koran could say such an ignorant thing.

Nobody who has contrasted the life of Christ with that of the pedophile pirate butcher Mohammed could say such an ignorant thing.

Unless, of course, they have an agenda.


140 posted on 07/23/2011 5:08:25 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
I think we need to keep in mind that Facebook pages depicting attractive 14 year old girls are set up by Federal Agents thirty or forty years old to catch child molesters with amazing regularity.

Agreed. But the question I was addressing was why they said Christian and right-wing, not whether it is true.

141 posted on 07/23/2011 5:10:08 AM PDT by Gondring (Going d'Anconia)
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To: Tolsti2

You write: It’s very hard to defend against an island kid camp and a bomb attack.

You don’t have a clue why he attacked this camp do you? First of, it wasn’t a bunch of kids learning about mother nature:

Utøya is owned by the political youth party Workers’ Youth League (Arbeidernes ungdomsfylking), which holds a summer camp there. The Workers’ Youth League (Bokmål: Arbeidernes Ungdomsfylking, Nynorsk: Arbeidaranes Ungdomsfylking, or AUF) is the youth organization affiliated with the Norwegian Labour Party. AUF was formed in April 1927, following the merger of Left Communist Youth League and Socialist Youth League of Norway.

Do you see the word Communist above?


142 posted on 07/23/2011 5:11:43 AM PDT by macquire
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To: caww

THIS follows the exact same pattern I described to you months ago. These kinds of people, loners, misfits, deviants like Cho, The Community Center shooter, loughner....who just HAPPENED to show up in a cab driven by a perfectly innocent Gulen turk?
I have some info but for now, let’s just say that there is total misread of this...as usual, and when it is THIS deliberate, just like it was with all the aforementioned characters, the truth is unlikely to ever be made public.


143 posted on 07/23/2011 5:13:36 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: Gondring
I doubt he had any Christian motivations, but he probably had neo-nazi ones.

No need to doubt. If he is a Christian, even the most zealous of believers, he would not have been able to justify his actions on Christian grounds.

That he is a neo-nazi is certainly true. All muslim fanatics are neo nazis. That is the foundation of modern muslim terrorism. Referring to him as somehow conservative twists the meaning of words into unrecognizable goo. The heart of this horror has yet to be documented.

144 posted on 07/23/2011 5:14:09 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This IS my blog site.)
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To: bjorn14

If he is what the LSM says he is, I’m sure he is p.o.’d.

But why indiscriminate killing? That’s nutbag stuff.

He was arrested...he probably thinks he can use his trial as a soapbox to rant against immigration which would be the most PRO-immigration he could do.

The lefty press will have a field day if he is allowed to do that.


145 posted on 07/23/2011 5:14:16 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: autumnraine

You write: So why kill white kids.

First of, it wasn’t a bunch of kids learning about mother nature on this island. They were 16 to 22 year old members of the “Worker’s Youth League”:

Utøya is owned by the political youth party Workers’ Youth League (Arbeidernes ungdomsfylking), which holds a summer camp there. The Workers’ Youth League (Bokmål: Arbeidernes Ungdomsfylking, Nynorsk: Arbeidaranes Ungdomsfylking, or AUF) is the youth organization affiliated with the Norwegian Labour Party. AUF was formed in April 1927, following the merger of Left Communist Youth League and Socialist Youth League of Norway.
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Do you see the word Communist above?


146 posted on 07/23/2011 5:15:36 AM PDT by macquire
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To: Tolsti2

“I doubt he had any Christian motivations”

You can change that doubt to certainty, based on Christian doctrine.


147 posted on 07/23/2011 5:19:06 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Or, more accurately--reason serves faith.)
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To: Gondring

I would note that neo-nazi motivations put him in the same broader category with Marxists and jihadists, all of which are opposite and antithetical to Christianity.


148 posted on 07/23/2011 5:21:36 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Or, more accurately--reason serves faith.)
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To: caww

The 20-some security camera tapes will clear up whether any 'middle eastern males' were involved in the OKC Murrah Buillding bombing -- except that the FBI seems to have misfiled those tapes and can't seem to find them. Doh!
149 posted on 07/23/2011 5:24:49 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Hieronymus

One poster to the BBC said that the maximum sentence in liberal Norway is 21 years.


150 posted on 07/23/2011 5:27:29 AM PDT by Nextrush (President Sarah Palin sounds just right to me)
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