Skip to comments.Death Toll Rises to 91 in Norway
Posted on 07/23/2011 1:39:46 AM PDT by quesney
The Norwegian police on Saturday charged a 32-year-old man, whom they identified as a Christian fundamentalist with right-wing connections, over the bombing of a government center here and a shooting attack on a nearby island that together left at least 91 people dead. Multimedia
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SCANPIX, via Associated Press Deadly explosions shattered windows on Friday at the government headquarters in Oslo, which includes the prime ministers office. A spokeswoman for Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg said he was safe. More Photos » The police said they did not know if the man, identified in the Norwegian press as Anders Behring Breivik, was part of a larger conspiracy. He is being questioned under the countrys terrorism laws and is cooperating with the investigation, they said.
We are not sure whether he was alone or had help, a police official, Roger Andresen, said at a televised press conference, adding: What we know is that he is right-wing and a Christian fundamentalist. So far Mr. Breivik has not been linked to any anti-jihadist groups, he said.
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Ahh...the old “right wing Christian Nationalist” ploy.... beginning to see just exactly whom the NWO/UN has identified as its opposition.
Men are ineligible to join masonry if they have any conviction for an offense greater than 90 days. And murder and treason are forbidden.
You are one of the strangest people on this site. What are your beliefs? Why do you hate Christians? Why are you here in subterfuge?
That is one of the big questions. Some survivors claim at least two shooters. According to one paper a man, 1.80 tall, dark hair, nordic looking, no police uniform, took part in the killing.
Norwegian police has not ruled out a second killer.
However, one should remember that all the witnesses are confused and shocked, and the MSM is running around like head-less chickens looking for new angles, so everything has to be taken with a grain of salt.
Oddly enough, what's going on reminds me of the JFK assasination and how specific and particular information about Oswald emerged quickly from a choatic situation. Something just doesn't smell right here...
No lie. As time goes on, 1940’s era city busting weapons will become a part of our day to day life. Maybe not for another 20+ years, but it’ll happen.
“Gideon’s Trumpet” alert.
The left has been in control for about 10 years and there have been some high profile immigration cases and he could be pissed off at them for letting all the muzzies in Norway.
I hope that is sarcasm. How much time does he have to serve before getting parole, and can he gat time off for good behavior?
No, it isn’t, but you can bet the US press will try to sell it that way. The differences need to be exposed and shown time and again.
At 35 E school, I had a buddy who was dula citizen from Sweden. He witnessed the Prime Minster getting killed IIRC. The guy was out of Swedish Prison in less than 15 years. Imagine if Sirhan Sirhan or Hinkley were out of prison now, free as a bird, living on the government dole.
I wanted to use this as the central point of a facebook post about this to friends. But what is that story actually about?
“police are seeking charges, state broadcaster NRK reported Friday”?
They were arrested last July. The new information seems to just be “police are seeking charges, state broadcaster NRK reported Friday”
If he is some kind of evil genius to bomb and murder 90 single handed, why would a genius put up a Facebook page **5 days before** to incriminate his “beliefs”? This has setup written all over it.
I thought Hinkley did get ‘furloughs’.
No, unfortunately it isn’t. I think if he is sentenced to 21 he can get out after 14, but you’ll have to ask a Norwegian to confirm that.
What did the US Senate do on gun control yesterday? or are you talking about them tabling the budget bill?
So why kill white kids?
First, in Norway there has been a controversy about mosque building for quite a while. Last year Norwegian foreign minister, Jonas Gahr Støre, proclaimed that he will not allow Saudi Arabia to finance or build any mosques in Norway because of the laws in Saudi Arabia that deny basic religious freedoms. This also includes money from Saudi citizens being used for mosque building.
So I doubt that someone with Christianity as his core religious belief would commit such an act of violence. It makes no sense. Certainly it makes more sense that someone sympathetic to Muslims would do such a thing...if the perp is a Muslim, or supporter of Islamic terrorists.
Secondly, I thought that in Norway "right wing" was the opposite of our right wing here. In Europe I thought "right wingers" were the equilivant of our far "left wingers" as related to political ideals. Has this changed? It would not surprise me if the media purposely overlooked the difference and decided to allow it to be misunderstood.
What the police have is immaterial to what the media will report. Remember when Ted Kaczynski was a ring wing nutjob? Even though the police had his manifesto showing he was a left wing environmentalist nutjob, they still reported him as a right winger. Shortly after it was revealed he was a lefty, and right up to today, you never hear about about him. But god forbid anybody forget about the OKC bombing and Tim McVeigh.
Isn't it interesting that whenever it is a muslim fundamentalist, the media makes all kinds of excuses, or say thet they acted alone. They never call for stronger measures against muslim fundamentalists. But as soon as it might be someone with potential "conservative" leanings, we need to ban all guns and investigate all "conservatives". It gets old.
No, that’s not correct. The PM’s murderer has never been convicted. They got one man convicted in a lower court, but the sentence was overturned in the higher court.
I always thought that too!! That it was backwards in Europe as far as political beliefs.
...they already reported his tweeter and facebook page was set up just a couple weeks before he carried this out with the idea this happening would occur and knowledge that facebook and tweeter would be looked at.
I don’t care what the guy is, this has absolutely nothing to do with right wingers in America in any way, shape, or form.
The guy was heard saying ...”This is Only the beginning”...
another report said he shot many then came back about half an hour later to where they were after shooting others he had been running after, those who tried to escape..... and shot more.
I reckon you can call yourself whatever you like; but sayin’ it don’t make it so!
A third degree Mason.....of course they’ve issued a statment that they cannot speak about anything concerning this man. Which is generally a level most can reach easily...and designed so they can do just that. But he would have had to go thru their rituals/rites...which themselves are pretty morbid.
That would depend on more than just the rule book....other elements come into play the deeper one gets into Masonary.
Where you been? Have been waitin and waiting for you to chime in on this....
They aren’t going to speak of Muslim involvement even if there is some, which I tend to think so....too risky for a country with so many in it and they are not going to stir things up in the Muslim community there.
We’ll see, but don’t let the ‘no true scotsman’ falacy take over. This may have been an evil genius type with any twisted view or nihilism.
Consider the source and you won’t consider it news.
That is incrediable!
” Consider the source and you wont consider it news. “
It’s ‘news’, in that it sets in stone (*because* of the source) the ‘narrative’ that will hold sway in all subsequent media reporting - regardless of any new facts or ‘truth’ that may be revealed....
Agreed. There are many people in this country who haven’t even heard of Norway yet. These aren’t the people who will attack us.
Funny how they never describe Koranic terrorists as "Islamic fundamentalists" when the fundamentals of that religion command terrorist acts. Instead, the NYT assures us that murder and mayhem is fundamental of the New Testament and Islam is a religion of peace.
> the NYT assures us that murder and mayhem is fundamental of
> the New Testament and Islam is a religion of peace.
Nobody who has contrasted the New Testament with the Koran could say such an ignorant thing.
Nobody who has contrasted the life of Christ with that of the pedophile pirate butcher Mohammed could say such an ignorant thing.
Unless, of course, they have an agenda.
Agreed. But the question I was addressing was why they said Christian and right-wing, not whether it is true.
You write: Its very hard to defend against an island kid camp and a bomb attack.
You don’t have a clue why he attacked this camp do you? First of, it wasn’t a bunch of kids learning about mother nature:
Utøya is owned by the political youth party Workers’ Youth League (Arbeidernes ungdomsfylking), which holds a summer camp there. The Workers’ Youth League (Bokmål: Arbeidernes Ungdomsfylking, Nynorsk: Arbeidaranes Ungdomsfylking, or AUF) is the youth organization affiliated with the Norwegian Labour Party. AUF was formed in April 1927, following the merger of Left Communist Youth League and Socialist Youth League of Norway.
Do you see the word Communist above?
THIS follows the exact same pattern I described to you months ago. These kinds of people, loners, misfits, deviants like Cho, The Community Center shooter, loughner....who just HAPPENED to show up in a cab driven by a perfectly innocent Gulen turk?
I have some info but for now, let’s just say that there is total misread of this...as usual, and when it is THIS deliberate, just like it was with all the aforementioned characters, the truth is unlikely to ever be made public.
No need to doubt. If he is a Christian, even the most zealous of believers, he would not have been able to justify his actions on Christian grounds.
That he is a neo-nazi is certainly true. All muslim fanatics are neo nazis. That is the foundation of modern muslim terrorism. Referring to him as somehow conservative twists the meaning of words into unrecognizable goo. The heart of this horror has yet to be documented.
If he is what the LSM says he is, I’m sure he is p.o.’d.
But why indiscriminate killing? That’s nutbag stuff.
He was arrested...he probably thinks he can use his trial as a soapbox to rant against immigration which would be the most PRO-immigration he could do.
The lefty press will have a field day if he is allowed to do that.
You write: So why kill white kids.
First of, it wasnt a bunch of kids learning about mother nature on this island. They were 16 to 22 year old members of the “Worker’s Youth League”:
Utøya is owned by the political youth party Workers Youth League (Arbeidernes ungdomsfylking), which holds a summer camp there. The Workers Youth League (Bokmål: Arbeidernes Ungdomsfylking, Nynorsk: Arbeidaranes Ungdomsfylking, or AUF) is the youth organization affiliated with the Norwegian Labour Party. AUF was formed in April 1927, following the merger of Left Communist Youth League and Socialist Youth League of Norway.
Do you see the word Communist above?
“I doubt he had any Christian motivations”
You can change that doubt to certainty, based on Christian doctrine.
I would note that neo-nazi motivations put him in the same broader category with Marxists and jihadists, all of which are opposite and antithetical to Christianity.
One poster to the BBC said that the maximum sentence in liberal Norway is 21 years.