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Posted on 07/23/2011 1:39:46 AM PDT by quesney
The Norwegian police on Saturday charged a 32-year-old man, whom they identified as a Christian fundamentalist with right-wing connections, over the bombing of a government center here and a shooting attack on a nearby island that together left at least 91 people dead. Multimedia
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SCANPIX, via Associated Press Deadly explosions shattered windows on Friday at the government headquarters in Oslo, which includes the prime ministers office. A spokeswoman for Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg said he was safe. More Photos » The police said they did not know if the man, identified in the Norwegian press as Anders Behring Breivik, was part of a larger conspiracy. He is being questioned under the countrys terrorism laws and is cooperating with the investigation, they said.
We are not sure whether he was alone or had help, a police official, Roger Andresen, said at a televised press conference, adding: What we know is that he is right-wing and a Christian fundamentalist. So far Mr. Breivik has not been linked to any anti-jihadist groups, he said.
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I listened to one live CNN reporter interviewing one who survived the island assault.
That victim said many of them tried to flee by swimming, but had to return to the island as the tired, because the distance was to the other shore was too great. That man then got shot in the leg.
If the perpetrator of this crime is indeed a conservative christian extremist, wouldn't it have been better if he could have vented his frustration via a "fair and balanced" media instead of needing to use violence to get attention for his cause?
Will our leaders enforce a Fairness Doctrine that will ensure that right-wing conservative Christians receive equal time in the main-stream-media?
The BBC live blog identified the suspect as the manager of an “organic farm.”
He must be some sort of environmentalist like Tim McVeigh who defended animals in his writings.
Rambo had nothing on this Norwegian.
This Norwegian had incredible skills. He put together a powerful car bomb and we have seen how hard that is from Times Square and London. To top that off he planted another bomb high up in a nearby building and timed it to go off when the first responders were on scene dealing with the first device. That takes a high degree of expertise and coordination. Only a highly trained demo man could pull this off. But that is of course not all. He then drove 40 miles, got in a boat, talked his way into a camp in a disguise and killed 87 people with small arms. Somehow, at some point, whether earlier or during this evolution, he also planted a third bomb on the island but that one was discovered and disarmed.
This would make James Bond green with envy.
The skills necessary for a bombmaker are generally different from those of a shooter. This one guy was a one man Army. Or so we are told less than 8 hours after action.
One lone “madman” with a “minor” criminal record...
I ain’t buying it.
Didn't Scandinavia INVENT the Blood-Eagle?
From the article: We are not sure whether he was alone or had help, a police official, Roger Andresen, said at a televised press conference, adding: What we know is that he is right-wing and a Christian fundamentalist. So far Mr. Breivik has not been linked to any anti-jihadist groups, he said.
It is well know that anti jihadists kill Christian children. This is a slam dunk.
KetilbstensrudKetil B. Stensrud...hournalist tweeter in Norw. seems to be on top of this story.
Norwegian PM is currently speaking to both Norwegian and foreign news media. He’s clearly deeply upset, moved by this unprecedented tragedy.
3 minutes ago
There you are Mesta! Good to see you’re on this too....Yes, the truth won’t be told anytime soon I’m afraid...but this guy certainly was a target they could have easily swayed...already a Freemason would leave him open for influence and no friends...is telling.
Here’s something to chew on.
A 20 year old was arrested near a place where the Norwiegan Prime Minister was to speak today.
He was carrying a knife.
He said he was “afraid” after the attacks and was carrying the knife for his protection.
The message is clear for some obscure forces and their puppets and tools, you and people must think and admit that christianism and islam or both “religions of peace” or “religions of war”....
Christian civilizations and cultures MUST be broken....Obama is one of their main tool
I smell false flag.
Not disposative either way: and recall that "right wing" over there is over in Rachel Maddow / Rosie O'Donut territory over here. During the Soviet Union the press referred to the Stalinists as "conservatives"...
A true Christian wouldn’t have done this...the left is dreaming...
First FACT: If this scum did not have any mudslime ties, even though 2 Is_slime groups have declared responsibility, there is no way he can ever be described honestly as a Christian. No true, real, Christian in the year 2011 is going to do this hiding behind Christianity.
In our local Pravda paper, almost 1/4 of the front page and half of A2 were devoted to telling the reader that Is_slime was not involved. Only the very last small paragraph made mention of 2 Is-slime groups claiming responsibility.
‘Warning’!!!!....not for squimish....
Mesta...you might find this interesting.
Aerial Photo of shooter standing with rifle shooting....kids on the ground....
Why do I smell a “Put-Up” Job?
Nothing, which this guy did was Christ-like. In fact his actions were anti-Christ. Who could call him a Christian?
Someone call James Bond! It's Maxmillian Largo from Never Say Never Again.
Prayers up for the victims and families...and the rest of Europe as this will encourage the dhimmitude-proponents.
There's nothing Christian, fundamentalist or otherwise, about going into some camp and killing a bunch of people.
But it is Islamic doctrine.
Very suspicious. They guy's a psychopath, but could very well be trying to frame Christian Conservatives for whatever liberal lunacy was running through his sick mind.
Let me guess: No true Scotsman?
sorry but if that’s how he identifies himself, then it’s totally fair for the media to describe him the same way, and we should save our outrage for real media distortions.
Yes it sucks that this twisted piece of human garbage uses the same label to identify himself as we do, but you can take comfort in Niven’s Law: “No cause is so noble that it won’t attract fuggheads.”
We need to build a Christian church at the site of the bombing.
And hold diversity and sensitivity training for European officials to see how their actions made Christians feel excluded, that they felt they had to lash out like this to get attention.
Hint: why does the New York Slimes masturbate to completion while autofellating over the chance to proclaim this guy a "Christian" "right winger" and therefore evil but get away with running a flattering piece on William Ayers, whose group tried to do the same thing; and why do they get away with neglecting to disclose the MUSLIM connections of the authors of other killings...?
I wonder how the press would react if the Christians went militant? Would the press's bigotry or their cowardice win out?
A couple of possibiities...
a. Breivik might have been trying to create maximum confusion and diversion from the "real" motive
b. many people who label themselves "Christian" wrongly think that "Christian" is a kind of ethnic category.
And as others have noted, in Europe, the descriptions "conservative" and "right-wing" are often applied to neo-nazis.
This shows the victory of leftist propagandists in persuading the European public that Hitler and the Nazis were "right-wing" - when in fact the truth is just the opposite.
In America the Left has been less successful with this propaganda. The word "conservatism" in America, thanks to Ronald Reagan, is widely understood to mean Constitutional traditionalism - which is its true meaning.
It's all extreme Left (Socialist) or centrist. Their Conservative Party is listed as "liberal conservatism".
I got the following chart from Wikipedia. The links don't work.
|English party name||Norwegian party name||Associated ideology||Current leader||International affiliation||Representation|
|Labour Party||Det norske Arbeiderparti (bokmål)
Det norske Arbeidarparti (nynorsk)
|Social democracy||Jens Stoltenberg||Socialist International||64||236|
|Progress Party||Fremskrittspartiet (bokmål)
|Populism, Conservative liberalism||Siv Jensen||none||41||141|
|Conservative Party||Høyre (bokmål)
|Liberal conservatism||Erna Solberg||International Democrat Union||30||120|
|Socialist Left Party||Sosialistisk Venstreparti||Democratic Socialism||Kristin Halvorsen||Nordic Green Left Alliance||11||46|
|Centre Party||Senterpartiet||Agrarianism, Centrism||Liv Signe Navarsete||none||11||73|
|Christian Democratic Party||Kristelig Folkeparti (bokmål)
Kristeleg Folkeparti (nynorsk)
|Christian democracy||Knut Arild Hareide||Centrist Democrat International||10||54|
|Liberal Party||Venstre||Liberalism, Social liberalism||Trine Skei Grande||Liberal International||2||37|
I’m told this guy’s twitter account had nearly 500 followers, many from jihadi forums AND government services as well, even though his account was a couple of years old and he had only posted ONE public tweet three days ago.
Nothing about this adds up.
If you read or heard any of loughner’s rants before he pulled his “sudden jihad”, anyone who knows islam could have told you exctly what he walking about and the context.
This guy has the same kind of “interests” that loughner did. Trancing out into some different plane, (jihad.) “Falling” into music.
loughner doesn’t want to take drugs in jail because there is nothing wrong with him AS A MUSLIM. He is an islamic believer and what he did is justified. He is acting for all the world, exactly like the muslim detainees at Gitmo.
I think European socialists have imposed their wicked agenda on the populace so long and given no outlet for legitimate protest, that the future may very well be a violent reaction from people who hate socialists and the barbarian hordes they have brought to Europe’s shores. Attila the Huns may be in the making all across Europe.
exctly what he walking about
exactly what he was talking about.
Baby “fixed” the keyboard.
The perp called himself a “Conservative Nationalist” in this source:
(lit.: The way of the world or The course of the world), generally known as VG, is a Norwegian tabloid newspaper.
“Breivik studied at the Oslo Commerce School, and is described by newspaper Verdens Gang as considering himself a conservative nationalist. He is also a former member of the Progress Party (FrP) and its youth wing FpU.”
Obama’s socialism is anti-Christianity. When it fully matures into communism, the state become the god. Socialism is standing violation of several of the Ten Commandments. No, your misguided theory that Obama is advancing Christian culture is exactly opposite the truth.
Not the person you wanted around anyplace with disaster potential'he and his fellows were quietly transferred out.
"The european right isnt the same as the American right by a long shot."
It’s frightening that the leftist, state-run propaganda machine is as tenacious and vicious as it is.
My initial reaction to reading that it was a “right-winger” was that this is probably a lie, perpetrated by the left, that either it was a leftist pretending to be a right-winger, or it was a jihadist that the media is portraying as a right-winger, or that it was just another nutcase that the state-run media is trying to portray as a Christian/conservative/right-winger.
Also, aside from the horrible evil of attacking children, is no one else a bit surprised that these kids were at a “youth camp” run by the Labor Party (hardcore socialists)? Does that not smack of “Hitler’s youth?” Maybe this is common and every political party has “youth camps,” but I’ve never heard of it.
Some of that “Free Mason” nonsense is coming from PrisonPlanet (Alex Jones). More of his nonsense.
>Aerial Photo of shooter standing with rifle shooting....kids on the ground....
Who took that picture and why did they not have a rifle to take out the shooter? Any airborne cop could have taken him out.
>>Right. He listed his religion as Christian and his politics as Conservative on his Facebook page. Case closed.<<
Youre being sarcastic, I trust.
screen capture of the Facebook page here:
but the killer had already planned the attack, and then, just a few days ago, created the FB page. zero friends. everything public. and ALL in English...
FWIW, bombing the building on a holiday puts me in mind of the Reichstag Fire.
If true, this psycho does not understand the right wing OR Christianity. These are not the kinds of acts true conservatives or Christians even contemplate - in fact they are beyond detestable.
Here is a more reasonable discussion link about his Masonic affiliation:
It appears in Norway to be quite different from here in the U.S.
He is just as likely to be furious with the lefty government because it is not lefty enough.
I think cowardice is the reason members of the press are sycophantic to Muslims. If journalists feared Christians would chop off their heads for defaming Christianity, they would no longer defame Christianity.
I guess I really can't blame them.
Same as Columbine, the cops dawdled while waiting for the right team to arrive.
Contrast with the female officer at Fort Hood.
Facebook page only went back 3 days before the attack. Either the page was new, or he (or whoever) deleted all of the previous postings. And, of course, everything on Facebook is always 100% accurate and the absolute truth. /s
And no friends?? And isn’t the photo of him on the page just a little too good. How many people have studio shots of themselves with subtle lighting for their Facebook page.
My first impression is the page was designed to cast Breivik in a certain light. And the idiot media has looked no further.
“I doubt he had any Christian motivations, but he probably had neo-nazi ones.”
That was my first thoughts as well
The closest ideological relatives to the American right are in Canada, Australia, and Great Britain. I suppose you could call it English conservatism because its deepest roots are probably there.
Thanks for the corrections. I guess my IIRC (if i recall correctly) was incorrect. I knew the jist of it was that Swedish law was pretty lax and that justice was never served. Thanks!
Then maybe you have some idea about what I have been saying. islam is insane inside and out. Those who are already insane feel kinship and acceptance within islam. They feel “understood.” Their paranoia is fed, often with drugs. And their deepest, darkest fantasies are encouraged and supported all the way through to fulfilment.
Chanting verses from the koran can and does induce a trancelike state, especially if you are listening to an experienced, well trained imam. The way they use pitch and tone and rhythm is hypnotic.
Being that building and civilian targets were political, this man may be the tip of an iceberg of an underlying shared grievance in his country, that he felt his government was not addressing. So this was his (murderous merciless) way of petitioning his government.
Do you read Pournelle’s day book?
I’m a huge fan and patron.
Well if it turns out that he claims to be a Christian and a conservative I will be vocal in saying that he doesn’t represent my faith or my political viewpoints. Figured I’d be a hypocrite if I didn’t since I’ve always said I wanted to hear the same from Muslim leaders.
If you search FR for “Fjordman” there are quite a few hits.