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U.S. Researcher Preparing Prototype Cars Powered by Heavy-Metal Thorium
WardsAuto.com ^ | Aug 11, 2011 | Keith Nuthall

Posted on 08/13/2011 7:13:31 PM PDT by Oiao

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To: azcap

No grid means they can’t turn your power off if you misbehave.


61 posted on 08/13/2011 9:01:05 PM PDT by null and void (Day 933. The mob is decisive when the law is not.)
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To: martin_fierro

Where’s the flux capacitor?


62 posted on 08/13/2011 9:02:03 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: cc2k
There will be time (years) required to convert automobile manufacturing plants to produce these cars. This will most likely add as much as 11 years to the conversion process.

Yes, it took Detroit weeks or at most months to convert from passenger cars to tanks.

63 posted on 08/13/2011 9:03:29 PM PDT by null and void (Day 933. The mob is decisive when the law is not.)
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To: Oiao

A thorium laser used to heat water to run a steam driven turbine. I wonder how much pressure will be present?


64 posted on 08/13/2011 9:05:01 PM PDT by flying Elvis ("In...War, the errors which proceed from a spirit of benevolence are the worst" Clausewitz.)
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To: volunbeer

I don’t believe thorium is currently cheaper than uranium! It needs to be processed to make it usable in a way that is still very expensive.


65 posted on 08/13/2011 9:24:35 PM PDT by 4FreeSpeach
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To: null and void
Yes, it took Detroit weeks or at most months to convert from passenger cars to tanks.

Yabbut, have you driven a vehicle from that era? They were tanks.

Detroit would have to learn how to work with metal again.

66 posted on 08/13/2011 9:26:47 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Oiao

“The key to the system developed by inventor Charles Stevens, CEO and chairman of Connecticut-based Laser Power Systems, is that when silvery metal thorium is heated by an external source, it becomes so dense its molecules give off considerable heat.”

Not a scientist or engineer here, but doesn’t that mean that they’re getting more energy out than they put in, without a nuclear fission or fusion chain reaction?

I thought that one of the basic laws of physics says you can’t do that.

“Small blocks of thorium generate heat surges that are configured as a thorium-based laser”

Arf a mo, there, mate. How does one “configure” heat into photons? I didn’t know if that could be done, so I went looking. Found this on the NASA site:

Converting heat waves to light waves is a bit more difficult for the same reason it is more difficult to go from the bottom of a building to the top than the other way around. This is because it is easier to go from a higher energy state (the top of a building, or visual light) to a lower energy state (the bottom of a building, or heat radiation) than from a lower to a higher state. To convert heat waves into a higher-energy wave (like visible light or even X-rays) you need to store them up until you have the energy of the wave you want to produce.”

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but how, if you put in the energy required to convert heat waves into a higher-energy wave like laser light, how are you going to get more energy out than you put in?

“These create steam from water within mini-turbines, generating electricity to drive a car.”

I thought you had to generate the steam under pressure separately from the turbine, then focus the HP steam onto the turbine blades with a nozzle.

Is it possible that this really makes sense somehow, but the reporter got everything wrong? Or did I get everything wrong?


67 posted on 08/13/2011 9:27:35 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Touché!


68 posted on 08/13/2011 9:28:20 PM PDT by null and void (Day 933. The mob is decisive when the law is not.)
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To: HangnJudge

When they start talking about density and potential energy (irrelevant if you are using the material for nuclear fuel) the alarm bells go off. Unless they intend to use it to make flywheels...


69 posted on 08/13/2011 9:28:30 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: HangnJudge

M means thousand, sometimes.

It’s archaic and confusing though.


70 posted on 08/13/2011 9:29:33 PM PDT by old-ager
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Well if those measurements are right, then that person is only about three feet tall.


71 posted on 08/13/2011 9:36:30 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: old-ager
It’s archaic and confusing though.

Possibly, but just as likely
Deliberate misinformation and confuscation

72 posted on 08/13/2011 9:39:10 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: dsc

The ‘reporter’ is out of his element here (no pun intended).

Great discussion.

If something even remotely (you might want to check out NASA for research in CA on energy conversion under a current Space Act Agreement) close to allowing the decentralization of (off the regulated and highly taxed grid) were to be going on, the Gov is already controlling it until it is put into a taxation model that will fit funding Gov. Keep digging on the NASA front = you are very warm (no pun intended).


73 posted on 08/13/2011 9:45:40 PM PDT by Oiao
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To: muawiyah
Thorium is much less of a risk than uranium. The “fear” had to do with a misfire that would have had that upperstage crashing back to Earth on somebody with some hot stuff.

It's feared by the public and hyped by the media, but NASA blew up the engine on purpose and there was no release of radioactive material. The real problem was Nixon and other politicians wanted to cut NASA funding, but any success like the nuclear engine would have required a lot more funding such as for a Mars mission.

74 posted on 08/13/2011 9:54:09 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: PieterCasparzen
And needs to be constantly fed whether you work it or not.
75 posted on 08/13/2011 9:54:14 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: azcap
The car is nice but I want one in my house.

When you park your car(s) in the garage at home you might as well plug them into the grid and generate your own home electricity.

76 posted on 08/13/2011 10:04:06 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Obama get our AAA back.)
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To: Oiao

77 posted on 08/13/2011 10:08:13 PM PDT by djf (One of the few FReepers who NEVER clicked the "dead weasel" thread!! But may not last much longer...)
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To: 4FreeSpeach

I believe thorium is cheaper for nuclear power than uranium or plutonium and that comes from discussing with a nuclear power researcher at Oak Ridge. That is not the price of fuel but reflects the cost of the electricity generated.

I am not a nuclear engineer but based on everything I have read thorium has numerous advantages over current fuels for nuclear power generation.

This is an article about thorium last month and I believe the assertions in the article are correct. It’s posted by a greenie but it is worth a read.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/jul/04/thorium-nuclear-power


78 posted on 08/13/2011 10:09:57 PM PDT by volunbeer (Keep the dope, we'll make the change in 2012!)
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To: buccaneer81
"...Ever heard the story of Air Canada Flight 143?..."

Metric vs English measure. Damn good glider pilot. Fortuitous location of an old WW-II Training Airport.

Something like that .................................. FRegards

79 posted on 08/13/2011 10:55:05 PM PDT by gonzo ( Buy more ammo, dammit! You should already have the firearms .................. FRegards)
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To: gonzo

Very Good! Spot on. (I had a cousin on that plane, so it has always fascinated me.)


80 posted on 08/13/2011 11:05:14 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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