Skip to comments.Girl, four, mauled to death as she watched TV by neighbour's escaped pitbull
Posted on 08/18/2011 7:59:36 AM PDT by Mountain Bike Vomit Carnage
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I watch TV with an American bulldog/mastiff mix.
This big moron and a little moron were sitting on a bridge.
One fell off, the other did not.
“I’ll bite.” said the bulldog
The one that was a little more on.
“What about the big moron?” asked the bulldog
He was needed to start threads like this one.
“The rots were the target in the mid-90s. Im wondering if the hype makes certain dogs more desirable to certain personalities. I mean, if you are a bad ass, gang bangin thug, what kind of dog are you going to get these days? Idiot owns a dog...dog acts like an idiot..”
Exactly...certain people in certain neighborhoods around here use these dogs to intimidate and frighten others, either to keep them quite or just to be jerks. So the city decides it will impose an extra fee on these people...yeah that should take care of it!
If she was still alive she could rethink her position.
Said it before, will say it again.
All pitbulls must be eliminated. If that doesn’t work we can move on from there.
-owner of two Great Pyrennes
I missed that. I still have to wonder what the whole story is.
Hmmm....Are you familiar with the 22 point checklist?
People who own pit bulls have them in order to intimidate their neighbors or potential thieves.
If this were up to me, I would charge the owner with negligent homicide.
The dog was loose due to the owners negligence.
I have one of these animals down the street from me , a few weeks back it ran me into my house.
I called animal control and they gave the owner a written warning. The next time if I can get to my gun in time, I will solve the problem.
BULLSHIT the dog escaped from its owner & went into a neighbors house & killed a child all under its own power. Guns don’t/can’t do that .
The animal in question needs to be destroyed immediately & the owner needs to do decades in prison at hard labor .
Dogs are supposed to be companions not self propelled free roaming ANTI-PERSONAL MINES!!!
Is that you, Chet99?
Discredited in court as well it should have been, it’s ridiculous.
Ref. post #37.
You are a very ill, mentally sick person.
IT'S A FACT JACK! Pit bulls account for a higer percentage of maulings than any other breed.
If you read the article it said the “woman was outside and the dog chased her into her house”.
He probably trains and fights Pit Bulls down there at his place in Panama.
But probably wouldn't. Dog owners seem to have irrational blind and deaf spots concerning the activities of their pets. They see and hear no evil about what their pets do. Example from Atlanta about 10 years ago. Pit bull owner stands in her yard enjoying the spectacle as her dog mauls a little girl. Neighbor runs into his house gets out .357 and shoots dog. At that point the dog owner flies into a rage and attacks the neighbor screaming "Don't hurt my dog." At which point he shot her (non-fatally.) The dog owner got six months for assaulting the guy who shot the dog. What she didn't get was any consequences for her vicious animal attacking the little girl. No charges were filed against the good samaritan who killed the dog and shot the owner.
MY personal opinion is that is what should happen to every dog owner whose pet attacks someone.
Maybe he uses them to guard agricultural products. Who knows.
No, I don’t.
I know that many people have aversions to large breeds.
While I’m not one (former Shephered owner), I’ve seen enought large animal damage to understand. I don’t put my head in the sand and claim, “My baby is a sweetums and wouldn’t hurt ANYBODY.”
The US Navy War College was one of the first to focus significantly on CAPABILITY, not intent. Intents can change in a minute (as experienced rather frequently with “Sweetums”), but capabilities don’t. People dealing with large breeds should KNOW the capabilities of the animal are significantly greater than that of smaller breeds. That alone is enough reason to be extra careful.
And, I was once mauled by our veterinarian’s Doberman while delivering paperwork to his home (down the street). I know that the guy though his Dobie was the most loveable EVER.
A guy I work with (black) got a Rotty.
Named it “Felony” (yep).
It bit so many people, they put it down.
He’s got another dog, now.
A Rotty (yep).
And now the guy’s a reserve cop. I give him shit because while his father was white and his mother was black, he’s trying to be the stereotype of one while living up to the other.
I doubt it.
Such people are clearly beyond it.
“It is impossible to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.”
I doubt it.
Such people are clearly beyond it.
“It is impossible to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.”
Yes, I remember when the breeds of choice for thugs were Dobermans and Rottweilers. I remember some fear of German Shepherds, but I don't ever recall them as being the choice of thugs.
Granted, the Internet wasn't around in those days, but there weren't 1/50th (no, 1/100th or less) of the stories about Dobermans or Rottweilers killing people as we now read about the breeds called "Pit Bulls" or Pit mixes. And I'm pulling those figures down to account for the media's calling every unknown breed a Pit Bull.
What, three Pit Full stories in the last two weeks? There weren't three Rottweiler stories in a year back in the day. And yet three Pit Bull stories in a week isn't unusual.
There simply isn't any comparison between the past Doberman/Rottweiler fear and the last fifteen+ years of Pit Bull attacks.
The pit bulls are getting a bad rap. It could just as easily have been a Chihuahua or a French Poodle, or a Jack Russell Terrorist. /s
One woman brought her 1 1/2 year old deaf pitt bull. Her reason for doing it was not to cheer up the sick and in firmed but to make people like and not fear pitt bulls.
When she entered the room, late, I heard her dog growl at the other occupants. Not a good candidate for a therapy dog, IMHO. I don't think she and her dog passed on to the next level, me and mine did. :)
Before Internet use became so widespread, you weren’t as likely to hear about what went on in another state unless it was a Big story.
The problem is that bad owners refuse to properly train, socialize, and properly breed their animals. When that happens, you have poorly bred, ill(or non-) trained, and ill (or non) socialized dogs running about.
That is detrimental to any type (”Pitbull” is not a breed, but a type) of dog, much less any dog breed.
The problem is not the dogs themselves; the problem is deliberate negligence in training, breeding and socialization.
When “pitbulls” are no longer the “in style” dog, the bad trainers, socializers and breeders will move on to another type.
You should google pictures of pit bull attacks...you will be shocked at the damage they inflict.
“3. Keep hitting until death occurs.”
Whose death? That blow to the head of such a dog, while it is launched in a lethal assault, had better be accurately aimed or it will serve only to further enrage.
Why are you wondering the whole story is there. The dog followed the woman when she ran into the house, dog grabbed the child by the face and shook it. That is how dogs kill prey, they shake it and snap its neck on the first shake. It’s all over very quickly.
What I wrote was incorrect.
Rottweilers are apparently Pit Bull-lite. I was wrong.
According to dog bit statistics, the Pit Bull breeds (and Pit mixes) accounted for 59% of all fatal dog attacks during the three-year period from 2006-2008. Rottweilers accounted for 13%. Between Pits and Rottweilers, that's 72% of all fatal attacks.
Pit Bulls, Rottweilers, Cana Presarios, and their mixes account for:
How many standard deviations from the norm do you have to go for those breeds to account for those percentages unless a significant part of the problem is the breed and not just the owner?
Sorry. Read those statistics above. Those percentages aren't explained by bad owners entirely. They're explained by the nature of the breed.
I've heard this yak squeeze before. Like Alice I try to believe three impossible things before breakfast, but this is about the 24th of the day. in 2008 65% of fatal dog attacks were by pit bulls. Considering that pit bulls are probably at most 5% of the dog population causing 65% all dog fatailites - this says they're 1300% more likely to kill someone than the average dog.
This only highlights that the real problem—the bad breeders, trainers and owners who have no intention of changing their ways. They’ll just move on to the latest dog.
Who knows? It could be Great Danes or Irish Wolfhounds next.
I had to go to the newspaper's page to make sure that was really the article's lead line. It is parsed stupidly. I see that sort of thing in American papers all the time, though I'm not really surprised to see it in a British paper. Journalism in the English tradition has always suffered in the quality of its writing (and writers).
I also recall a short lived bit in there where Chows and Newfoundlands were targeted for ‘bad dog’ status.
That was in the 1990’s if memory serves.
But, if people want to make a dog into a monster, they will.
Doesn’t matter the breed, actually.
There are dog attacks all the time.
But, they don’t make the news because there’s no hype and hysteria angle to them.
"breed of peace" strikes again. I see one of those things coming towards me, I'm unholstering my sidearm.
For a conservative community, I am surprised by how many Freepers buy into the media spin on pit bulls and see them as demonic animals. They are dogs first, and like any dog they are a reflection of their training, management and living conditions.
Dogs of ALL breed bite, attack, and kill humans. But when a lab or poodle is the attacker, it is either: A) NOT reported by the media at all, or B) IF it is reported, the breed name is never mentioned, it is simply called a “dog” attack. “Pit bull attack” is a salacious headline that the media jump on, and as conservatives who have watched so many of our representatives dragged through the media mud, we should all be familiar with (and disgusted by) this biased media tactic.
I could go on and on about this because as an owner of an American Pit Bull Terrier, I often face criticism and discrimination, despite the fact that I am a RESPONSIBLE owner, whose dog is a member of the family and is trained, socialized and always well-mannered and on-leash in public. But I think this letter-to-the-editor, written by a friend who runs a dog rescue, says it better than I am able to articulate:
In response to the Orlando Sentinel’s opinion-page, titled “Our take on-pit bull attack” regarding an attack on a Mr. McSweeney
by Erica Daniel on Tuesday, 14 June 2011 at 18:53
My name is Erica Daniel, and I’m the President and founder of Dolly’s Foundation, a non-profit rescue organization in central Florida. The purpose of Dolly’s Foundation is to rescue, rehabilitate and rehome homeless, neglected, and abused American Pit Bull Terriers and other bully breed dogs. As well as preserve, promote, and bring positive awareness to the breed and the negative stereotype bestowed upon them.
While the news of Mr. McSweeney brought sadness to the entire community, we couldn’t help but notice your lack of ability to recognize that all dogs should be judged based on individuality. We certainly aren’t justifying the dog’s actions and agree they should have been humanely euthanized, but we are curious as to what charges will be brought upon the owner. It was stated that this may have not been the only incident the dogs were involved in, why weren’t they properly restrained? Why isn’t the owner being held accountable? We can only assume that the dogs were intact, even though the report fails to mention. You may not see the importance or relevance of the issue but it’s a fact that intact dogs are three time more likely to bite than a spayed or neutered dog. More importantly, it is also a fact that no spayed or neutered pit bull has killed anyone in recorded history. For being such a strong minded organization, I would think one might check up on these types of facts before using such strong statements.
Even more importantly, the average person can only identify about 20 breeds of dogs. While we understand Mr. McSweeney was bitten by neighbors dogs who have been identified by both the owner and witnesses, we can’t help but ask; Do you honestly think while being “attacked” by ANY breed of dog, you’re in the state of mind to properly identify a breed? There was a woman in Orange County who was “viciously attacked by a pit bull.” There were witnesses and everything. When the fire department showed up to the scene, they knocked on the owner’s door who then answered with his purebred German Shepard. Turns out, the dog was a German Shepard, not a pit bull. Simple mistake, right? Wrong. Think about the other hundreds if not thousands of cases of misidentification.
You also touched on “apologists” in the pit bull community that blame the biased media. I often ask if people have heard about the elderly woman mauled to death by her own dogs in Titusville, a yellow Lab mix and an Australian Shepard mix. I have yet to hear anyone respond that they’d heard about the incident. I typically blame it on the fact that the media was too busy running a story on the emaciated, intact “pit bull type dog” that bit a kid while chained to a tree that has had no socialization whatsoever and gets fed every few days. You can read that article here: http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/features_lifestyle_animal/2008/06/dogs-maul-titus.html
You mentioned a 4-day old infant that was killed by the family pit bull. Was the owner held accountable? I do not know any responsible owners that would allow their newborns to have contact with ANY dog without supervision. So I ask, did you hear about the 7 month old child that was mauled to death by the family’s dachshund? I assume you haven’t heard that one. You can read about fatal dog attack statistics in The Pit Bull Placebo by Karen Delise, it touches on the dachshund attack. I did not find an article on the attack I’m speaking of, but I did find one similar: http://articles.latimes.com/2002/dec/17/nation/na-maul17
I became a homeowner at the age of 23 and I pay my taxes. I have a college degree, I hold a responsible position with a government agency and I’m a small business owner. I have never been arrested, nor have I ever been in any sort of “trouble” with the law in any form. I have never done drugs, nor have I been affiliated with any gang related members or activities. I resent your comment insinuating that pit bulls are the “preferred dog of gang-bangers, drug dealers and dog-fighting enthusiasts.” While this is common and unfortunately can be true, they are also the preferred dog of lawyers, doctors, congressman, families, and responsible dog owners as well.
Dolly’s Foundation was formed after I rescued a “pit bull type dog” from a local shelter. She is believed to have been used in a local dog fighting ring and was dumped at the shelter after obvious life threatening trauma she sustained. I made a YouTube video of her story to show my family the success Dolly had made in the mere months I’d had her. WESH2 got a hold of the story and it spread like wildfire. Dolly is now an AKC certified Canine Good Citizen as well as a certified therapy dog through the SPCA’s Pet Visitation Program where we’re able to visit local retirement homes and hospitals. In November, Dolly will undergo a rigorous test given by the American Temperament Test Society and we’re also currently undergoing training to receive a certification from Delta Society, a therapy program that is nationally recognized. Not only is “Dolly the Pit Bull” a certified therapy dog, she is often asked to represent her breed as an “ambassadog” at our local SPCA’s Pit Bull Education Class where she goes from chair to chair greeting both new and old faces.
In April, Best Friends Animal Society, the largest no-kill shelter in the country, asked Dolly and I to attend a media conference in Tallahassee at the State Capitol regarding SB722 which unannomously passed in May allowing Florida shelters to be given the option to save dogs pulled from dog fighting rings. Up until this point, these dogs were automatically deemed dangerous regardless of indiviual temperaments. Now, shelters may have the option of temperament testing these dogs deeming them either adoptable or unadoptable. Many people fail to recognize that there is a vast difference between human aggression and dog aggression. I think we can all agree on this, especially during the aftermath of the Michael Vick case. The majority of those dogs have all been evaluated and adopted to responsible families with other dogs, with no recorded incidents.
In the 6 months that Dolly’s Foundation has been up and running, we have saved over a dozen pit bull type dogs from certain death, most of which have suffered by the hand of human-kind. We’ve had dogs with imbedded collars, one shot with a shot gun and tied to a fence post, and even one with a limb barely hanging on. The point is, a pit bull is 500,000 times more likely to be killed by the hand of man, than the other way around. So I ask you, who are the real monsters?
I hope that you read my letter in it’s entirety and I hope you allow Dolly and I to visit you and your co-workers, either allowing us to hold a special Pit Bull Education Class to share with you, or just to stop by and visit. Our interest is to educate and advocate when and where we can. Please consider our open invitation.
*Please watch Dolly’s story, already viewed by tens of thousands: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvZeRKk0Q6o
*You can read about Dolly and I at the Capitol building in Tallahassee here: http://network.bestfriends.org/initiatives/pitbulls/17129/news.aspx
*Please read about the American Temperament Test Society here: http://atts.org/breed-statistics/statistics-page1/ Please note that the American Pit Bull Terrier has an 86.4% passing rate which is higher than the Golden Retriever that has an 84.9% passing rate.