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(LIVE THREAD!) Republican Presidential Debate #5 - Sep. 12, 2011 8pm/5pm: Tampa, FL (CNN)
2012 Election Central ^ | Sept. 12, 2011 | CNN/Tea Party Express

Posted on 09/12/2011 7:14:30 AM PDT by newzjunkey

Broadcast on: CNN

Broadcast time: 8pm EDT/5pm PDT

The Candidates:

Michele Bachmann

Bachmann is serving her 3rd full term in the U.S. House. Founder of the House Tea Party Caucus, she earned a Master of Laws degree, worked as a tax attorney, and was a foster mother for 23 teenagers. She is a member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

Herman Cain

Cain is the former chief executive of Godfather's Pizza and former chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. He lost the Georgia Republican primary for a U.S. Senate seat in 2004. He was recently the host of Atlanta-based radio show.

Newt Gingrich

Gingrich served as Speaker of the United States House of Representatives from 1995 to 1999. He represented Georgia's 6th congressional district as a Republican member from 1979 to 1999. He has a PhD in modern European history.

Jon Huntsman

Huntsman was Utah Governor, former ambassador to China under Barack Obama.

Ron Paul

Paul is serving his 11th full term in the U.S. House. He’s an ob-gyn and was Libertarian nominee for president in 1988. He unsuccessfully sought the Republican nomination for president in 2008

Rick Perry

Perry is the three term governor of Texas, from 2000 to current. He is a retired Air Force captain for former farmer. He has a degree in animal science.

Mitt Romney

Romney was governor of Massachusetts (2003 to 2007) and former CEO of Bain Capital, a private equity investment firm. He unsuccessfully sought the Republican 2008 nomination for president. He has an MBA (Harvard) and JD (Harvard Law).

Rick Santorum

Santorum served two terms in the U.S. House and two terms in the U.S. Senate. He became the Senate's third-ranking Republican in 2001. He was defeated for reelection in 2006.


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To: kristinn
Just saw that. So Palin made an accusation that Perry took Merck money in order to pass that bill. She did it in a very passive aggressive way. Too bad, I thought that was her supporters who did such things and she was above the fray. Apparently not.

I thank God she showed her true colors tonight. To make a false accusation against a supposed friend. Blew my mind. That will most certainly bite her.

1,421 posted on 09/12/2011 7:21:16 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Freee-dame
I smell a whiff of sexism.

She who smelt it, dealt it.

1,422 posted on 09/12/2011 7:21:19 PM PDT by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: LuvFreeRepublic

I swear I’m living in an alternate universe. First the NYT, then Don Lemon and now Newt? What the hell! ;)


1,423 posted on 09/12/2011 7:21:36 PM PDT by rintense (Polls are for strippers and cross country skiing. ~ Sarah Palin, 9.3.11)
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To: Servant of the Cross

IF she is running.


1,424 posted on 09/12/2011 7:21:50 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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Now CNN is fact checking Perry on his statements.


1,425 posted on 09/12/2011 7:21:53 PM PDT by PMAS
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To: concerned about politics

I could tolerate Cain or perry as the nominee. Newt is somewhat of a problem but he is smashingly impressive in these debates.

I can’t take Bachmann. She has moments of real strength, but she annoys me.

Perry does not wildly impress me. The Guardasil thing was NOT small government and really stupid as a mandate. His admitting that he couldn’t be bought for a measly $5k was maybe a mite too telling.

And is Cain ready to be CinC? Does he perhaps need to be Veep? I do love his smarts on the economy and his common sense!

Santorum had a few good lines, and Paul did as well, following each sensible statement with an insane one.

Newt blows me away at the debates! You almost forget all the boneheaded things he’s done. I’d rather him than Obama, that’s for sure. Him over Romney too.
Huntsman? Time for him to bow out.


1,426 posted on 09/12/2011 7:22:04 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: PMAS
I used to worry about giving the dems ammo but truth is they lie so much it really does not matter.

They are going to lie about us and the dbm will repeat their lies. That's what we have to get good at defending.

1,427 posted on 09/12/2011 7:22:05 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: rintense
rintense, I live in Arizona, I know about the illegal issue, but the 10th amendment of the Constitution says states, and their people, have the right to do anything that is not spelled out in the Constitution.

The PEOPLE of Texas, through their legislature, decided to pass this law and it's their business, not yours. PERIOD. Unless you want to toss out the Constitution and you get to decide for everyone.

1,428 posted on 09/12/2011 7:22:09 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: parksstp

I agree with your assessment. Newt is a fantastic debater. But, I’ll never be able to get that image of him sitting on the couch with Pelosi pushing the fraud of GlobullWarming. Oh well. He was really good in the debate tonight.


1,429 posted on 09/12/2011 7:22:09 PM PDT by kara2008 (Palin 2012)
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To: rintense

Count me as one Perry supporter that doesn’t much care who she endorses. Rubio? Maybe...


1,430 posted on 09/12/2011 7:22:09 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (I will work every day to make Washington, D.C., as inconsequential in your lives as I can - Perry)
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To: CA Conservative

“Over 40% of teens between ages 15-19 admit that they have had sex at least once.”

I got acquainted with a 16 YO girl some years back who, within the space of 3 months, got pregnant 3 times and got an abortion each time. She was book smart, too. I lost a lot of respect for her on that.


1,431 posted on 09/12/2011 7:22:13 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: casinva
Santorum had it right, why wasn’t it an ‘opt in’ instead?

Because first, the law under which Perry issued his order didn't have an "opt-in" process, it had an "opt-out" process, like all school-required vaccine laws.

And second, because a vaccine law with an "opt-in" makes absolutely NO SENSE. If you want to take a vaccine, you can take it, you don't need permission. So a law that said "you are required to take this vaccine for school, except you don't have to, and but if you want to, go right ahead" would be a useless law. You wouldn't have to send a note to school to GET the vaccine, and you wouldn't have to send ANY note to school saying you TOOK the vaccine, so the law would have absolutely no effect.

What I guess we really needed was a DIFFERENT law, that provided a set of vaccines that were NOT required, but for which the school vaccine policies would apply IF the parents chose to get the vaccine. That way, the vaccine would be on the insurance coverage, and the reduced-free vaccine program for poor people would cover it.

Except some here have complained about tax dollars being used in a way that would encourage sexual activity, so I'm not sure having such a law would be acceptable to them. And since every parent could skip the Gardisil vaccine by simply going online and saying "no", it doesn't really look like the opponents are REALLY fighting over it being "mandatory".

1,432 posted on 09/12/2011 7:22:20 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Yes. All other mandated vaccines are to protect fellow students from a communicable disease.

That really doesn’t apply at all in the case of Perry’s old chief of staff’s lobbied for Gardisil.


1,433 posted on 09/12/2011 7:22:23 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: phalynx
Palin’s body language said she is NOT running.

Hmmm...I didn't see anything of the kind...you must be a body language expert...with a degree and employed full time doing just that?

1,434 posted on 09/12/2011 7:22:36 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("The number one goal in life is to parent yourself" Carl Jung)
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To: rintense
Nah. She'll still endorse when the time is right.

Biggest surprise of the night was Bachmann's career suicide. Besides that, not much we didn't know.

Perry is wrong on Gardasil, and has illegal immigration issues, but is strong on everything else.

Romney is right on limiting government's harmful impact on the economy, but wrong on everything else.

No one else stands a chance, but I do like Cain.

1,435 posted on 09/12/2011 7:22:36 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Sheesh. Go away and stay away Newt.)
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To: normy

A false accusation? It’s all over the internet, son!


1,436 posted on 09/12/2011 7:22:42 PM PDT by rintense (Polls are for strippers and cross country skiing. ~ Sarah Palin, 9.3.11)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

You are correct. The border fence argument is to me very shallow. In remote areas, there would be more tunnels under it than in my backyard from the moles and gophers. It would be a huge waste of money. I say more boots on the ground and drones.


1,437 posted on 09/12/2011 7:22:53 PM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: tirednvirginia
All but 4 in their legislature voted for it and none lost their seats. It must have been something the state of Texas wanted.

Then why not take it to the people?

1,438 posted on 09/12/2011 7:22:53 PM PDT by DejaJude (Obama - in over his head and above his pay grade.)
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To: MagUSNRET
>>WHo the bleeding HELL gives a shit about GARDISIL when we have Islamic Muslim Extremist Terrorists trying to kill ALL OF US! For the love of GOD< get a GRIP!!!!!!!<<

That’s exactly why I will never vote for Perry. I don’t like his cozy attitude towards Muslims. And don’t say he doesn’t. I’ve seen all I care to about his speeches and what he’s done with and for them.

1,439 posted on 09/12/2011 7:23:03 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: netmilsmom
Who gave the government the right to tell me that I have to fill out a form to “opt out” of a vaccine that is totally against my better judgement.

That's a silly statement. There are a whole lot of vaccinatins that you CAN'T opt-out of, better judgment or not - at least not if you put your kids into school. This is one of the least onerous, because they made it easy to opt-out once, instead of having to renew the opt-out every year like with some vaccines.

1,440 posted on 09/12/2011 7:23:12 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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