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Why Death Penalty Opponents Can't Win
Townhall.com ^ | September 24, 2011 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 09/24/2011 7:15:03 AM PDT by Kaslin

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1 posted on 09/24/2011 7:15:07 AM PDT by Kaslin
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I’m not a fan of the death penalty but its not a do or die issue for me in the voting booth. I’m sure as hell not going to protest it if it were an option in my own state, let alone other states.

Guess I’m more of a (((Shrug))) on the whole issue.


2 posted on 09/24/2011 7:19:47 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: Kaslin
In the new world order there will be sophisticated ways of determining truth. Serums, drugs and electronic tech will determine guilt.

How that is dealt with will be determined by the new world law and Sharia.

3 posted on 09/24/2011 7:22:08 AM PDT by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: Kaslin

The death penalty proponents (such as myself) need to focus though on setting the standards so that no one who’s innocent gets executed. The standards are already skewed in that direction, but it would take only one such case to bring a swift end to the death penalty, I think. They need to get these “petitions” out of the process, and similar kibitzing by the other side. It doesn’t matter how many “supporters” there are. What matters is whether there is evidence that might exonerate the defendant. Let the libs argue about whether the degree of the crime justifies the death penalty. That’s not going to be a convincing anti-death penalty argument. But if an innocent person gets executed... that would be a disaster.


4 posted on 09/24/2011 7:22:18 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Kaslin
I oppose the death penalty, not because I think those guilty of horrible crimes deserve to live, but because I don't trust the government to always get the guilty person.

A quick search on Wikipedia.org shows 139 death-row inmates exonerated in this country.

Maybe that list isn't perfectly accurate, but even one misplaced execution is too many.

5 posted on 09/24/2011 7:22:23 AM PDT by Johnny B.
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To: Kaslin

I still don’t understand why the left is against the death penalty for people tried and convicted by a jury, but is not opposed to the death penalty for innocent children.


6 posted on 09/24/2011 7:24:20 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: Kaslin

Good article.


7 posted on 09/24/2011 7:24:59 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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Instead, we heard a great deal about Davis. Many people insist Davis was innocent or that there was "too much doubt" about his guilt to proceed with the execution.

What was not heard was the Davis was one of three men who executed the off-duty cop (shot once in the head, twice on the ground). That he was one of three is not in dispute. Also not in dispute is that the shooter was wearing the same t-shirt seen on Davis earlier that evening. Everything I heard last week was noise and obfuscation.

8 posted on 09/24/2011 7:26:52 AM PDT by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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Maybe that list isn't perfectly accurate, but even one misplaced execution is too many.

How about 50 million or more misplaced executions? That is what the Supreme Court has legally allowed since 1973. Where is Amnesty International and their ilk on those executions?

9 posted on 09/24/2011 7:27:02 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: kosciusko51

Excellent point.


10 posted on 09/24/2011 7:27:33 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: kosciusko51

It’s because they are libocrites.


11 posted on 09/24/2011 7:29:09 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree ("Nanny Care State" is not a Division 3 football powerhouse.)
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To: Kaslin

Look into the souls of those who lead the non death penalty and euthanasia; not the followers. This is about neither. It is about power of the sick minds who want to solely decide who lives or dies.

The people must retain the right to choose; not a few.


12 posted on 09/24/2011 7:32:55 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Johnny B.

I agree 100%.


13 posted on 09/24/2011 7:36:03 AM PDT by ToxicMich (PLEASE LEAVE THIS SPACE BLANK)
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To: Kaslin

Opposition to the death penalty is all about the race of the perpetrator. Nothing else.


14 posted on 09/24/2011 7:37:21 AM PDT by SunTzuWu
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Christopher Newsom, 23, and Channon Christian, 21, murders.


15 posted on 09/24/2011 7:37:48 AM PDT by BilLies (The "Liberal" news media hates your traditional American guts.)
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To: Johnny B.
So why doesn't the imperfection argument also apply to lesser penalties? If the possibility of error makes executing a person unacceptable, why doesn't it make locking a person away for life unacceptable?

...even one misplaced execution is too many.

But one misplaced life sentence isn't?

16 posted on 09/24/2011 7:37:54 AM PDT by Yardstick
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The death penalty is a perfect deterrent. Nobody who has received the death penalty has ever become a repeat offender.
17 posted on 09/24/2011 7:38:48 AM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: cripplecreek

I do not believe that the death penalty is a deterrent (evil people are evil and not swayed by the laws of man), but I do support it.

I believe that the death penalty represents a price. If you take an innocent human life, the price for that action is your own life. To not have the death penalty diminishes the value of the individual human life.

But I agree - we MUST be SURE. And we do try to be. That’s why it takes 20 years and dozens of appeals before we put someone down. Our society does not take the responsibility of execution lightly. In other places, there is no such system. What we have is not be perfect, but it is the best system in the world.


18 posted on 09/24/2011 7:39:49 AM PDT by Marie (Heartless conservative)
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To: Johnny B.

I believe each of those people was exonerated while on death row. IOW, they weren’t executed, so the system actually worked.

AFAIK, nobody has conclusively demonstrated an “actually innocent” person has been executed in this country in the modern era. And I’m sure we’d all have heard about it if someone had.

I’d also like to point out a couple of problems with your terminology. “Exonerated” in the sense you used it does not necessarily mean it was proven they didn’t actually commit the crime of which they were convicted, only that new evidence invalidated some of the evidence originally used to convict them. Sufficiently so to either get them a new trial or at least a commutation to a prison term rather than execution.

That’s very different from the common use of the term “exoneration” to mean “proven innocent.” Death penalty opponents do all they can, dishonestly IMO, to obscure the difference between the two meanings. I don’t include you in this group, BTW.

When it comes to the morality of executing a given person, there is also a difference between executing a person who never committed a crime deserving of execution (or possibly any crime at all) and executing a career criminal who had committed at least one and possibly many capital crimes of which he was not convicted.

Person A would have suffered a truly great injustice. Person B would have no right to claim he suffered any injustice in an existential sense, although he could certainly object to irony taking such a whack at him.


19 posted on 09/24/2011 7:43:44 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Yardstick
But one misplaced life sentence isn't?
If you find that someone has been imprisoned unjustly, you can give them the rest of their life back (along with compensation for false imprisonment).

Once you've executed them, there is no recourse.

20 posted on 09/24/2011 7:46:37 AM PDT by Johnny B.
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