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Herman Cain Gets Defensive Over 999 Tax Plan (Now that he's surging, the scrutiny comes)
Christian Post ^ | 10/10/2011 | Stephanie Samuels

Posted on 10/10/2011 6:46:18 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

WASHINGTON – Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain defended his 999 tax plan against growing criticism Friday at the Values Voter Summit, telling naysayers to address him directly rather than make calculations of their own.

Cain said his 999 plan – 9 percent corporate tax, 9 percent personal income tax and 9 percent national sales tax – is a "bold" solution to the nation's weak economy and those who didn't agree had likely tampered with the plan's formula.

He stressed the plan is revenue neutral and would generate more income as businesses grow. It will also save the nation $430 billion dollars, he asserted.

However, many question whether the 999 plan will generate revenue comparable to the current tax code.

The Washington Times tested the plan in a September editorial using personal income figures generated by the University of New Mexico's Bureau of Business and Economic Research and retail figures compiled by the U.S. Census. The publication was able to generate $1.1 trillion a year in personal income taxes and $380 billion in retail taxes using the 999 tax model. Combining those figures with the Times' estimate that a 9 percent corporate income tax rate would generate $270 billion, it guessed that the 999 plan would raise $1.8 trillion. The government currently takes in $2.16 trillion in taxes, according to Politifact.

He told supporters at the Value Voter Summit, "When you see reports talking about [Cain's tax plan] won't do this and won't do they have changed the assumptions."

Cain's spokesman J.D. Gordon assured that Cain's plan has been vetted by a number of advisers.

"Mr. Cain's idea was the 999 – the name, the concept, the idea – and he worked with Rich (Lowery, his economic advisor) to get it done [and] put the policy on paper. Then there's an economic advisory council that they have," Gordon told The Christian Post.

But media reports describe Lowery as a wealth manager and not an economist.

Gordon remained tight lipped about the members of Cain's council and informal economic network except to say they are, "very well-known political experts, economic experts and foreign policy experts that advise him privately." He said the group also includes a former ambassador to the United Nations.

When asked why he would not reveal that names of those mystery advisers, he cited a variety of reasons including, "they don't want to declare a candidate until the race is decided."

However, the Cain campaign remains sure of the plan's effectiveness.

"He had [the 999 plan] scored and the estimate from the scoring is that it would create 6 million jobs because the whole concept is that corporations could grow," said Gordon.

Cain emphasized that plan is meant to give businesses certainty and foster an environment ideal for job creation and economic growth.

Still, critics of Cain's plan are also critical of the plan's national sales taxes. There is currently no national sales tax. States do, however, charge local sales taxes.

Rachelle Bernstein, a vice president and tax counsel at lobbyist group National Retail Federation, said "An additional tax on consumer spending will negatively impact that already weak demand."

Gordon responded that consumers will be cushioned by the reduction in the personal income tax.

However, he did not answer questions regarding why Cain would create a new federal tax at a time when GOP party leaders are bent on cutting taxes and government regulation.


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To: MNJohnnie

Cut the pills, you will feel better.


121 posted on 10/10/2011 10:16:43 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: DTxAg

Real simple solution. Quit lying about Cain and people will quit pointing out that you are lying about him


122 posted on 10/10/2011 10:17:53 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Reagan Man

So you favor business-destroying 35-35-0? Or what?


123 posted on 10/10/2011 10:19:05 AM PDT by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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124 posted on 10/10/2011 10:20:57 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: SoJoCo
Actually the embellishment seems to exist at your source it cannot be independently confirmed that Godfather's was losing money

Which means Bloomberg has no idea what the actually facts are and merely wishes it were not true. See real news stories, do not interject opinion into their "reporting" This article you cite is an opinion piece, not a news story. Nice try but rumor and innuendo are still rumor and innuendo no matter how desperately you want to believe them.

125 posted on 10/10/2011 10:21:36 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie
Real simple solution. Quit lying about Cain and people will quit pointing out that you are lying about him

Now that's entertaining. You get caught incorrectly saying that Social Security benefits are taxable without any qualification whatsoever, and yet you still can't admit you were wrong. Social Security benefits aren't taxable unless you have other income. If you don't like it, talk to the IRS.
126 posted on 10/10/2011 10:21:36 AM PDT by DTxAg (The Presidency is not an entry-level position.)
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To: DTxAg
Not our fault you Perry-bots seem to think lying about the other candidates some how helps your candidate of choice

Stop lying and we will stop pointing out your lies.

127 posted on 10/10/2011 10:23:17 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: samtheman
I'm just saying his hurdles are immense.

True, he's not handpicked, never been to the Bilderbergers, not a member of the CFR, has no notable DC connections, etc. Yep, his hurdles are immense alright.

128 posted on 10/10/2011 10:24:13 AM PDT by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: Beagle8U; MNJohnnie

RE: Cut the pills, you will feel better.

C’mon, you’re better than that. Answer the man’s arguments, don’t attack him personally.


129 posted on 10/10/2011 10:27:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: thePing
I went back and looked at some of the returns and in the year 2006 under the Cain plan we would have paid 4750.00 more in taxes

There's absolutely no doubt that 9-9-9 is better for small businesses than 35-35-0. You probably need to check your numbers and/or publish them here.

130 posted on 10/10/2011 10:27:19 AM PDT by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: palmer

We’ll see if he takes on Romney or not, and then we can talk more about “hand picked”.


131 posted on 10/10/2011 10:28:18 AM PDT by samtheman (Palin. In your heart you know she's right.)
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To: SoJoCo
Otherwise how can you say with such certainty that the reduced federal tax costs won't go towards the corporation's bottom line?

Free market. A competitor will lower their prices and undercut them.

132 posted on 10/10/2011 10:28:49 AM PDT by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: samtheman
What's the matter, you don't like questions?

Why do you favor 35-35-0 over 9-9-9?

133 posted on 10/10/2011 10:30:30 AM PDT by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: MNJohnnie
Not our fault you Perry-bots seem to think lying about the other candidates some how helps your candidate of choice

Stop lying and we will stop pointing out your lies.

Wow, now pointing out that you're incorrect in your knowledge of how Cain's tax plan affects seniors is lying about Cain. You really are a cult guy.

Cain's plan imposes a 9% sales tax on everyone, including senior citizens. Senior citizens now pay no income taxes on their Social Security benefits unless they have sufficient other income. So, your guy is running on a platform that increases the taxes paid by senior citizens collecting Social Security.

That'll turn out well. Senior citizens don't vote in large numbers. BWAHAHAHA!
134 posted on 10/10/2011 10:32:52 AM PDT by DTxAg (The Presidency is not an entry-level position.)
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To: SoJoCo
He did not pass those savings on in the form of lower prices.

Because the market didn't force him to at that time. Either you trust the free market to deliver the best prices or you favor socialism or some other government-run pricing system. There are no in-between choices.

135 posted on 10/10/2011 10:33:13 AM PDT by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: DTxAg
That'll turn out well. Senior citizens don't vote in large numbers. BWAHAHAHA!

Lots of seniors will have a longer time horizon than some younger voters. They understand how business needs lower taxes and how it is in their interests to vote that way. But regardless, why do you favor 35-35-0 over 9-9-9 apart from your "concern" for seniors?

136 posted on 10/10/2011 10:37:17 AM PDT by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: samtheman
We'll see if he takes on Romney or not

I agree, that's a legitimate concern. In the mean time you are welcome to put forward positive ideas about your favored candidate, whether Perry or other (I have no idea, and have nothing major against Perry)

137 posted on 10/10/2011 10:40:08 AM PDT by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: palmer
Under Cain's plan, businesses pay taxes on "gross income less all investments, all purchases from other businesses and all dividends paid to shareholders." Payroll to employees are a deductible business expense now, but under Cain's plan payroll is a deduction only if you are in an "empowerment zone."

If a business pays $100,000 to its employees and at the end of the year has no money left over as "profit" (common in small businesses where any remaining profits go to the owners as corporate distributions), under the current system you pay no business income taxes. Under Cain's plan, the business pays $9,000 in business taxes on the payroll.
138 posted on 10/10/2011 10:40:43 AM PDT by DTxAg (The Presidency is not an entry-level position.)
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To: DTxAg

How about this. YOU finally answer the question posted to you days ago, I will start taking your commentary seriously.

Where is the Perry Presidential plan on anything?

Nice speeches full of soaring words and platitudes is not a Presidential agenda.

Taxes? Government Reform? Jobs? Education? Anything? Where is it Perrybots?

So instead of racing around lying about Cain, why don’t the Perry supporters try explaining to us why we should support Perry instead?


139 posted on 10/10/2011 10:42:20 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie

Where did all these concern-trolls and 35-35-0 is better than 9-9-9 newbies come from?


140 posted on 10/10/2011 10:43:42 AM PDT by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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