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1 posted on 10/17/2011 2:40:48 PM PDT by sklar
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2 posted on 10/17/2011 2:43:52 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (The Tea Party outnumbers the Flea Party!)
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999 sounds great at first but flaws emerge under a closer look.


3 posted on 10/17/2011 2:45:54 PM PDT by Wilderness Conservative
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yes in fact you are wrong. The estimated federal tax already imposed on all purchases is about 22%. Also there are exceptions for poverty level working poor. Also the sales portions is only applied to new purchases. There is a lot more to it then the simple 999. I suggest you o to his site and pull down the pdf.


4 posted on 10/17/2011 2:46:27 PM PDT by waynesa98
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A pensioner making only $15,000 is screwed no matter what tax plan is used.

My advice? Go back to work.


5 posted on 10/17/2011 2:46:43 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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Something seems wrong with your example...


6 posted on 10/17/2011 2:47:22 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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Only half their social security is subject to tax at this time so in your example the pensioner would not pay any tax.

Telling millions of pensioners that they will now be taxed is a sure winner.


7 posted on 10/17/2011 2:49:39 PM PDT by Cardhu
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Price of goods would decrease under 999 since it does away with the various embedded taxes: http://999calculator.net/


8 posted on 10/17/2011 2:50:06 PM PDT by Utmost Certainty
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You could also throw in that when they spend out of savings they get whacked for 9% sales tax.


11 posted on 10/17/2011 2:50:59 PM PDT by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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Read Herman Cain's statements on this, instead of making up your own version as you go.
12 posted on 10/17/2011 2:51:15 PM PDT by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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Under 9-9-9, they would pay 9% personal tax = $1350, an increase of $450, PLUS a brand new 9% Federal Sales Tax on everything new that they purchase including food household goods, etc.

This is a common flaw when people analyze the effect of 9-9-9.

Under the current system, taxes, which are a cost of production, are embedded in the price of a product. Under 9-9-9 part of that cost is moved to the point of sale. The net price out the door will not change. The list price of the product will fall 9% because of less embedded tax cost.

The increased tax on the pension is an issue. Although I agree with the plan overall, there is no logic in taxing Social Security retirement benefits and certain levels of pensions. Not a difficult issue to resolve in implementing the system.

15 posted on 10/17/2011 2:52:48 PM PDT by CMAC51
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What to HELL is a "PENSIONER?"

If you mean someone who is "Retired" (like I am) and drawing SS, then I don't know what you are talking about as my benefits are NOT taxed.

And who do you REALLY support?

17 posted on 10/17/2011 2:54:35 PM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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6000 dollar deduction??? I wish I had that!!! Do I need to tell my tax guy about this????


18 posted on 10/17/2011 2:55:23 PM PDT by LooneyTick (Of all the things in life I've lost, I miss my mind the most!)
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Take a look at this thread to gain a better understanding of the plan:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2793957/posts

The only problem with your analysis is that it’s incorrect.


19 posted on 10/17/2011 2:56:16 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion (Heartless)
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Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that the majority of the criticism (NO, MAKE THAT "ATTACKS") against Cain and his "999" plan is coming from so-called Republicans, never mind, "Conservatives" and I'm just a little disappointed (nay, ashamed) that there are sooooo many here at FR???

WASUPWITHDAT???

20 posted on 10/17/2011 2:59:13 PM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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I've been saying for some time that 9-9-9 would be a disaster for people living on fixed incomes--that's primarily our "seasoned citizens."

Seniors generally pay a lower rate on their income and get special exemptions under the current system. Adding a sales tax on to what they would have to pay in the flat 9% tax would be a killer to many.
22 posted on 10/17/2011 3:03:08 PM PDT by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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The guy is trying to FIX the tax system. I am one of those who would probably get screwed.

Cut him a break.

Eat Democrats.

ML/NJ

23 posted on 10/17/2011 3:07:21 PM PDT by ml/nj
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People who make, sale stuff, stock stuff, ship stuff have to pay high taxes, you end up paying their taxes plus a sales tax. Their tax goes way down, they will start lowering their prices or someone else will make the same product and lower their prices. Someone help me out, am I wrong?


26 posted on 10/17/2011 3:09:56 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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By dramatically reducing taxes on production and imposing more of the federal tax burden in the form of a sales tax, the 9-9-9 plan takes away advantage from overseas manufacturers and makes domestic manufacturers more competitive.

The tax burden on domestic manufacturers is reduced and BOTH domestic and foreign manufacturers have their goods subjected to sales tax.

When combined with the lifting of regulatory burdens that the Republican candidates in general all favor, we can see the return of decent manufacturing jobs and return of economic hope for the grandchildren of these pensioners.

Items like televisions and other consumer goods could be feasible to manufacture in the United States again.

The prices of consumer goods would come down under 9-9-9, offsetting higher sales taxes.

Pensioners have a choice: they can derail tax reform and improving US economic competitiveness by objecting to shifting invisible taxes that they already pay embedded in prices to a visible tax, or they can allow their grandchildren to have some prospect of a decent standard of living and US economic competitiveness.


28 posted on 10/17/2011 3:12:37 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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Sir, your question is an honest and earnest and one that deserves attention and respect. Anyone who behaves otherwise is a jerk.

Part of the reason that you’re not getting a straight answer is that nobody really knows. The details of the plan aren’t out. Right now we’re discussing generalizations.

Even if Cain puts out every detail of his plan, in the end he will not be the one writing the bill. That will be congress and Lord knows what they’ll do to it.

With that said, Mr. Cain has reassured us that SS income will not be taxed. My grandparents received a pension from GM, so I’m guessing that you have something similar in addition to SS that you may be concerned about.

Mr. Cain has assured us that he will make sure that seniors and those in poverty will not be harmed by his plan.

I cannot see things like food and medicine being allowed to be taxed by congress. That plan simply won’t pass.

What the others are saying about the 9% sales tax not being a concern is true. The prices of goods will drop once the corporate tax drops and free market competition takes effect.

Congress will not pass a bill that destroys the elderly. Mr. Cain has no desire to hurt the disabled and the elderly.

Your country will take care of you. There are tens of millions of Boomers who’d never allow the new tax system to destroy their retirement. Believe it or not, those of us in the younger generations have no desire to hurt ‘grandma and grandpa’ either.


29 posted on 10/17/2011 3:13:24 PM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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Unless my calculations are flawed, 9-9-9 would be disastrous for Pensioners on a fixed income.

Yes, it would be.......A typical pensioner no longer saves, their pension goes to pay their debts, bills and everyday purchases. An additional 9% Federal tax would be disastrous to the majority of them.........

34 posted on 10/17/2011 3:18:36 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (ui)
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