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The Businessman Canard -- Itís not impt not to be a pol; it's impt to be a really good one
National Review Online ^ | October 11, 2011 | Rick Lowry

Posted on 10/28/2011 9:55:58 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

There is no better testament to the marketing prowess of Herman Cain than that he gets applause when he tells audiences he’s not a politician — in the course of seeking their votes for the highest political office in the land.

Mitt Romney plays a version of the same card, arguing that “career politicians got us into this mess, and they simply don’t know how to get us out."

If Cain and Romney think so poorly of politics as a vocation, they could easily save themselves from any further taint. They could drop their arduous schedules, their fundraising pleas, their very public roles that open them up to ridicule and attack, and return to comfortable lives that would be welcomed by the vast majority of Americans who don’t thirst after political distinction.

Of course, neither will fold up shop until it becomes impossible to go on, or he succeeds. They don’t have the courage of what they want us to believe are their anti-politician convictions.

Cain’s status as a non-officeholder is entirely an accident of the poor judgment of Republican primary voters in his state of Georgia. He ran for the nomination to the U.S. Senate in 2004. He lost. Had he won, he might well be in his seventh year and second term in the Senate, where politicians go to live out their days blissfully free of any serious responsibilities. Even politicians find the Senate stifling and unproductive, so it’s an odd place for Herman Cain — man of action and scourge of the politician — to have wanted to land.

Romney avoided becoming a career politician by a similar route. He ran for the U.S. Senate in Massachusetts in 1994 and lost, ran for governor of the state in 2002 and served one term before setting his sights on higher office, and ran for the Republican nomination for president in 2008 and lost. He’s been running for president ever since. All in all, he’s made a pretty good political career out of not being a career politician.

The business experience of a Cain or a Romney is enriching, no doubt. They are more impressive for it. But what will be more relevant if Romney becomes president, his time as management consultant or his time as governor of Massachusetts? Romney was a flawed candidate in 2008 and — by most accounts — is a better candidate now. That has everything to do with having acquired more political experience by passing through the fire of running for president once before.

Distaste with the political establishment shouldn’t become distaste for the act of officeholding. Consider the figures the Tea Party admires most. The tea-party standard-bearer Jim DeMint is a former three-term congressman and is now in his second term as a senator from South Carolina. The rising star Marco Rubio spent about ten years in the Florida legislature and served as speaker of the Florida house before winning election to the U.S. Senate in 2010. If business experience were all important, the successful former Goldman Sachs executive Jon Corzine would have been a blessing to New Jersey as governor, and his politico successor — former freeholder, candidate for the legislature, and U.S. attorney Chris Christie — a flat failure.

Amid the slings of outrageous fortune, the politician learns how to inspire and persuade, how to avoid unnecessary minefields and pick his fights, when to accommodate his opponents and when to confront them, how to build a coalition and keep it together. A businessman might have similar challenges, but they aren’t played out in the public arena in the context of a balky, democratic political system that rarely moves on the basis of one man’s orders.

And the businessman’s work doesn’t depend on a philosophical commitment to a set of ideas. The best politicians, like the non-businessman Ronald Reagan, translate their principles into reality in a way that rises to statesmanship. It’s not important not to be a politician; it’s important to be a really good one.


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Misfire: Romney Ad Targets Rick Perry's Jobs Record "I think it's safe to say the Romney campaign is going for the kill with its latest attack on Rick Perry. The former Massachusetts Governor has already gotten a fair amount of mileage out of attacking his Texan rival from the left on Social Security, and from the right on immigration, but this new spot strikes at the heart of the Perry campaign's raison detre -- jobs, jobs, jobs:

The Facts --Mitt Romney's political ad

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The spot's most striking image is a tumbleweed blowing along a deserted Texas highway. That's rich. It's intended to create the impression that Rick Perry's Texas is something of a depressed ghost town. Nothing could be further from the truth. Since the recession began, desperate job seekers have flocked to Texas at a clip of roughly 1,000 people per day. And they're finding work, too. Despite a huge population influx and a bruising national recession, Texas' unemployment rate remains below the national average. How remarkable has the Lone Star State's economic performance been? Read this Political Math analysis (written by a self-professed non Perry supporter), and marvel. One telling data point:


1 posted on 10/28/2011 9:56:00 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: All; shield
The Perry Economic Plan: Cut, Balance and Grow

The Perry Plan: Energizing American Jobs and Security

[snip] “Dynamic Tax Score for RickPerry.org, Inc. Proposal:

Based on the higher GDP estimates forecast by the dynamic scoring exercise, the Perry proposal will not only lead to an increase in overall economic activity and jobs, but will also lead to higher federal revenues in the long term. In fact, the analysis suggests that revenues could be as much as $406.8 billion higher than under the static model by 2020, and could be as high as 19.5 percent of GDP. The dynamic score of the proposal suggests that lower flatter taxes could generate both more revenue than the current tax code, and significantly more economic growth over time. With increasing demands on the Federal government from growing entitlements, higher pension expenses and interest on the debt, it will be necessary to increase the size of the economy – and the tax base – in order to generate significantly higher revenues. Table 7 shows how the Perry proposals would do this over a seven year period.’ [snip] Tax Proposal Score PDF

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This is how you "create" jobs -- you create an environment that is friendly to employers!

Rick Perry:

FIRST: "Don't spend all the money!"

SECOND: "Have a fair and predictable tax and regulatory policy!"

THIRD: "Have a legal system that doesn't allow for over suing and make loser pay!"

2 posted on 10/28/2011 9:59:58 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
This article is a little hard to swallow.


3 posted on 10/28/2011 10:05:12 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The act of running for office is an education in itself. However, there’s nothing like experience, as we’ve seen historically.

We know how Romney governs. We’ve seen the results. He did no favors for Mass. or the US. We will all soon live with the results if we can’t get rid of Romneycare.

We know how Rick Perry governs. He has not harmed Texas in any way and has protected us from the worst of Obama, at the very least blunted the effects of Federal neglect at the border, and controlled spending while preventing the institution of an income tax on the fiscal side and protected life and marriage on the social side.


4 posted on 10/28/2011 10:05:17 AM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed:Will use. Cut spending, cut spending, cut spending, now,now,now!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The only thing ‘impd’ in this race is La Raza Rick, the corrupt slimebag imbecile from Texas.


5 posted on 10/28/2011 10:05:40 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Perry's idea of border control: Use both hands to welcome the illegals right in)
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6 posted on 10/28/2011 10:07:21 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Perrys’ jobs record is unasailable(sp?) and his tax reform proposal is pretty good. Neither of these things are what led to his trailing off (rather badly) in the polls.

He’s so far down right now I cannot see why Romney would attack him. Romney should spend his time attacking Cain who is quite frankly catching fire in this race.

I can see WHY Myth is not attacking Cain though, Perry went on the offensive and look where he is now.

Pawlenty went on the offensive and look where he is now.

This is not the type of race that the voters want to see. The voters want to see ideas calmly and rationally discussed as if these men were adults. This is why I really like Cains’ “Rock ‘em Sock ‘em robots ad.


7 posted on 10/28/2011 10:08:26 AM PDT by Grunthor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0heL2Czeraw)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Irony: I’m here to tell you that I’m not a politician, I’m here asking you to help me become one.


8 posted on 10/28/2011 10:13:03 AM PDT by Quicksilver (Defeat Obama - zero-sum games will get us Zero, again.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
So let me see if I understand what National Topsail Online is telling me. We need to vote for a career politician because a citizen who runs for public office is by definition a politician, just an amateur one. So if we really want to clean up the sewer in Washington we elect someone who has decades of rolling in the filth.

Got it.

9 posted on 10/28/2011 10:19:32 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Grunthor

Nobody is attacking Cain because the conventional wisdom is that he will self-destruct before too long. Why waste ammo>

I’d put the odds about 4:1 that the CW is right. Not that I necessarily think this is a good thing, it’s just what I think will happen.


10 posted on 10/28/2011 10:19:37 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: hocndoc
The idea that you win points for not having fought in the trenches of politics doesn't make sense -- and is it true?

Perry, Bachmann, Santorum, Gingrich, Paul and Huntsman have all led political lives; Romney grew up around politics, served 4 years as Mass gov, run for president for some time now - is a politician/businessman; Cain's career is as a businessman but also includes political organizing and running for political office.

So it would seem, being President of the United States isn't for political novices?

So who has been the most successful politician?

Answer: Governor Rick Perry.

Rick Perry started as a Democrat in West Texas (essentially THE only party). He served in the Texas legislature - was known as one of the "pit bulls," conservative members who sat in the lower pit of the House Appropriations Committee and bitterly fought spending increases.

Perry changed parties in 1989, joining Phil Gramm and other conservative Texas Democrats, who now had a true ideological party with a burgeoning Texas GOP.

When Perry campaigned for Lt. Gov. [1998], he and his campaign staff were in it to win and his hard-nosed style was against the "friendly" advice and request of GWB [in re-election bid for Texas Gov] and Rove to run easy against Sharp, a popular democrat (and Aggie friend of Perry's from their A&M years together). Rove wanted to broaden Bush's base for his upcoming White House run. Perry told them he'd run his campaign his own way, because he knew the voters would vote for Bush for Gov. and then cross back over and vote for Sharp (D) for Lt. Gov, if he just walked through the motions like the Bush-Rove team asked him to do.

Perry won the seat for Lt. Gov. -- the first Republican elected to that office since Reconstruction. Now 13 years later and into his 3rd term as Texas governor, the GOP holds a super majority. So Perry has earned his conservative spurs -- fighting both parties!

[The Bushes and Rove supported Kay Bailey Hutchison's primary challenge against Gov. Perry in the 2010 election too]

11 posted on 10/28/2011 10:29:09 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Sherman Logan

“Nobody is attacking Cain because the conventional wisdom is that he will self-destruct before too long. Why waste ammo”

Given the history of Bachmann and Perry both collapsing I can see where some would think that. Frankly it might even be the smart bet. Until Cain does collapse however, I am going to back him. I am not emotionally attached to him so I have back-ups;

In order of who could/will get my vote in the primary; Cain, Gingrich, Santorum, Perry, Bachmann.


12 posted on 10/28/2011 10:30:28 AM PDT by Grunthor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0heL2Czeraw)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Most of the jobs created were not high quality jobs by any means. A lot of those jobs were taken by illegals and the majority of those jobs were in the government. America needs to get with the program and become more competitive in the technology sector. Rick Perry is a dud. Wake up already.


13 posted on 10/28/2011 10:30:35 AM PDT by Force of Truth (Intelligence and virtue are preferable in a candidate, but I'd much rather he or she be chinchy.)
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To: Pan_Yan
So let me see if I understand what National Topsail Online is telling me. We need to vote for a career politician because a citizen who runs for public office is by definition a politician, just an amateur one. So if we really want to clean up the sewer in Washington we elect someone who has decades of rolling in the filth.

I posted this OpEd because I would like someone to tell me why being a businessman (woman) would make you a better President for the United States in this very troubled time, by claiming your "Wall Street" or "Main Street" cred trumped a long-serving governor whose state had an outstanding economy and jobs record during the same time the country was experiencing a recession.

Why don't you explain it to me?

14 posted on 10/28/2011 10:38:48 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Force of Truth
Most of the jobs created were not high quality jobs by any means. A lot of those jobs were taken by illegals and the majority of those jobs were in the government. America needs to get with the program and become more competitive in the technology sector. Rick Perry is a dud. Wake up already.

IF YOU REALLY want the facts, CLICK on the LINK from the article I put in Post #1 and then follow where that leads you. Then come back and see if you can in truth, hold to that incorrect viewpoint you've posted.

15 posted on 10/28/2011 10:42:16 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"If business experience were all important, the successful former Goldman Sachs executive Jon Corzine would have been a blessing to New Jersey as governor, and his politico successor — former freeholder, candidate for the legislature, and U.S. attorney Chris Christie — a flat failure."

This is illogical in the context of say, a Cain. Of course, a Jon Corzine's political philosophy itself, would not make him a "blessing to New Jersey"; whereas a person devoted to America's founding philosophy of limited government coercive power over citizens would be such a "blessing."

16 posted on 10/28/2011 10:45:16 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Keep grasping for those straws...You have more Perry fantasy scenarios than Jon Lovitz (yeah, that’s the ticket...). If Perry is such a superb politician why won’t he show off his astounding politically savvy communicating and debating skills. He can’t even pull off selling a series of ripped off plans to Americans without stepping on his unit.


17 posted on 10/28/2011 10:50:05 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Rick Perry engages in corporate welfare via Texas TEF/ETF)
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To: loveliberty2
.....whereas a person devoted to America's founding philosophy of limited government coercive power over citizens would be such a "blessing."

Gov. Perry is only Texas governor that has cut general revenue spending since World War II. He wants power returned to the states. He has fought burdensome regulations, Federal dictates, government overreach and oppressive litigation.

18 posted on 10/28/2011 10:55:29 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: TADSLOS

Instead of trying to outdo other creative writing bathroom joke posters, why don’t you tell me what part of this OpEd you disagree with and why.


19 posted on 10/28/2011 10:57:51 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Sherman Logan
Nobody is attacking Cain because the conventional wisdom is that he will self-
destruct before too long. Why waste ammo

Oh yea? This ran in the Austin American-Statesman. Ben Sargent somehow found time away from just bashing Perry to bash Cain and Perry at the same time.

20 posted on 10/28/2011 10:58:12 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

That break in the 1998 election demonstrates the biggest difference between Bush (whom I still thank the Lord for putting him in place on 9-11-01) and Perry: Bush thought if he gave enough, people would like him. He didn’t seem to ever “get it” that the Left would never like him because of his stand on the Lord, the right to life and marriage - and that they never could find some ugly sin in his life.

Perry sometimes bulls on through even though he knows he’s making enemies. He makes a decision and goes through with it until he’s convinced that there is a good argument against it.

I’m afraid that Mr. Cain hasn’t figured out that he can’t govern like a CEO or even the Chair of a Board of Directors. You can’t fire the voters or vote them off the Board.


21 posted on 10/28/2011 10:59:56 AM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed:Will use. Cut spending, cut spending, cut spending, now,now,now!)
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22 posted on 10/28/2011 11:01:31 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Were you responding to me? Because your post had nothing to do with mine. I was commenting on NRO’s twisted and flawed logic, you launched into a candidate comparison. Except for commenting on his tax plan the I have refrained from attacking your candidate. If you would like to have that discussion, however, I’ll be happy to tell you why Cain is my first choice and Perry is my second.


23 posted on 10/28/2011 11:01:44 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan

I’m glad I’m not the only one that found the article thick with irony, but devoid of logic.

Herman Cain’s running as a non-politician, because he has never held political office.

But, since he’s running for office that makes him a politician.

Thus, there’s no difference between Herman Cain and Rick Perry—a career politician that has held four different political offices over the last 25 years (a quarter of a century).

Gimme a break.


24 posted on 10/28/2011 11:01:44 AM PDT by Brookhaven (I believe in the seperation of school and state)
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To: Liberty Valance

The cartoon is factually correct.

If they are to raise equivalent revenue, the 999 tax idea and most of the flat tax ideas I’ve seen (there are so many I don’t want to mischaracterize them) lower taxes so much on high earners that it will have to be made up by increasing taxes on low and middle income people.

I don’t quite understand why this is so difficult for many to understand. If I lower taxes for any group, revenue will go down unless I raise them for some other group.

Theoretically you can make a case that eventually the lower taxes will create such an economic boom that revenue will go back up, but that doesn’t change the immediate fiscal implications.


25 posted on 10/28/2011 11:02:47 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Pan_Yan

Yes. I was looking for some dialogue.


26 posted on 10/28/2011 11:05:28 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Brookhaven
But, since he’s running for office that makes him a politician. Thus, there’s no difference between Herman Cain and Rick Perry—a career politician that has held four different political offices over the last 25 years (a quarter of a century). Gimme a break.

You totally missed the point of the article.

27 posted on 10/28/2011 11:07:13 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Sherman Logan

I agree. I was addressing your statement that nobody was attacking Cain.


28 posted on 10/28/2011 11:13:34 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: TADSLOS

Actually, the plan is not “ripped off.” He called in assistance from Steve Forbes, Mill Pass, and Mitt Mulvaney, among others to come up with a plan. His plan was also circulated to select others for comment prior to release.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/44963655


29 posted on 10/28/2011 11:17:01 AM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed:Will use. Cut spending, cut spending, cut spending, now,now,now!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
A person at the article site summed it up:

The problem is people who make a career out of elective office. There is something seriously wrong with them and if we care at all about them, we need to help them by voting them out of office as soon as possible.

We need to go back to the George Washington model: he served his time in the military until the crisis was over and he went back to his real life. He served his time as president and then left politics and went back to his real life.

If I were in charge for one day, the first thing I would do is eliminate all pensions for elective office at all levels of government. Elective office is a duty that SHOULD (perhaps must?) be a sacrifice, not a gateway to the good life.

Our problems are due to career politicians like Perry, not career non-politicians like Herman Cain.

Instead of asking why someone like Herman Cain thinks they have a right to run for any political office, we should be asking why does anyone (including Rick Perry) think they should be able to spend their entire adult life in one political office after another?

We need fewer career politicians like Rick Perry, and more people that have never held office before like Herman Cain.

Career politicians are the problem, Rick Perry is a career politician, thus Perry is part of the problem.

30 posted on 10/28/2011 11:17:54 AM PDT by Brookhaven (I believe in the seperation of school and state)
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To: Sherman Logan

The plan includes cuts in spending as well as the tax overhaul. The prediction is that the plan will encourage growth, also, which will increase revenue.


31 posted on 10/28/2011 11:19:51 AM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed:Will use. Cut spending, cut spending, cut spending, now,now,now!)
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To: Brookhaven
Career politicians are the problem, Rick Perry is a career politician, thus Perry is part of the problem.

How is making a blanket statement, relevant to Rick Perry's record?

It's a lazy argument.

32 posted on 10/28/2011 11:21:11 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This from someone that can’t even see the irony in their own screen name.

Cincinnatus was held in such high regard, because he refused to become a permanent politician. When Rome was in crisis, he became the leader of Rome. When the crisis was over, he could have stayed on and become a lifetime dictator. Instead, he stepped down and returned to his regular life.

Between Herman Cain and Rick Perry, which one sounds more like Cincinnatus? The one that has never held office; sees the country in crisis; and is running because he believes he can solve that crisis, or the career politician (state congressman, ag commisioner, governor) that is running for president because it is the next step up from his current office?

You don’t see the ironly of someone with your screen name supporting the career politician?


33 posted on 10/28/2011 11:36:15 AM PDT by Brookhaven (I believe in the seperation of school and state)
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To: Brookhaven
At best that's a silly argument. Experience does matter. The problem is corrupt politicians, the same can be said of any profession, including blogging.
34 posted on 10/28/2011 11:38:40 AM PDT by Quicksilver (Defeat Obama - zero-sum games will get us Zero, again.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

A lazy argument is not the same as an invalid argument.

There are plenty of lazy, easy to make arguments that are perfectly valid.

The permanent political class are the ones that have gotten us into the mess we’re in today. It’s perfectly reasonable to ask why a member of the class that got us into this mess should be the prefered person to get us out of it.


35 posted on 10/28/2011 11:39:44 AM PDT by Brookhaven (I believe in the seperation of school and state)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; Brookhaven
Career politicians are the problem, Rick Perry is a career politician, thus Perry is part of the problem.

How is making a blanket statement, relevant to Rick Perry's record? It's a lazy argument.

Actually, the article never mentions Rick Perry, it only makes the convoluted argument that career politicians are the best candidates for high elected office. Obviously history would tell a different story. It is a truly amazing feat of mental gymnastics to reach that conclusion.

However, this discussion has become about Rick Perry, which the article does not name, yet everyone obviously believes is implied. So then the question is do you agree with the premise of the article that career politicians are the best candidates for high office? Putting aside other factors, is Rick Perry more qualified than Herman Cain, not because he is a successful governor, but because he is a career politician? That is the argument the article makes.

36 posted on 10/28/2011 11:40:14 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Quicksilver

Experience does matter.

And experience is defined as:

(1) holding political office
(2) having accomplished things

If you only define experience as having held political office, then I would question the premise of your argument. There’s a lot more to life that counts as experience than just holding political office.


37 posted on 10/28/2011 11:43:43 AM PDT by Brookhaven (I believe in the seperation of school and state)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Why don’t you quit with the Baghdad Nob spamming routine and free up bandwidth on FR?


38 posted on 10/28/2011 11:44:18 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Rick Perry engages in corporate welfare via Texas TEF/ETF)
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To: Brookhaven
Between Herman Cain and Rick Perry, which one sounds more like Cincinnatus? The one that has never held office; sees the country in crisis; and is running because he believes he can solve that crisis, or the career politician (state congressman, ag commisioner, governor) that is running for president because it is the next step up from his current office?

You want to pigeon hole someone rather than weigh their record to see what they've done while in office. You want to tag someone as "like the others" because it is the talking point of the campaign. As Herman Cain would say, "You are comparing apples and oranges."

39 posted on 10/28/2011 11:51:39 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Pan_Yan
However, this discussion has become about Rick Perry, which the article does not name, yet everyone obviously believes is implied.

I more than implied by my posts after the article because I believe Lowry's OpEd speaks to the statesman Rick Perry is.

So then the question is do you agree with the premise of the article that career politicians are the best candidates for high office?

Lowry doesn't say career politicians are the best, he said the BEST (statesman who have honed their craft) politicians.

That is the argument the article makes.

Read the title and then read the article again with the title in mind.

40 posted on 10/28/2011 11:56:56 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Brookhaven; Cincinatus' Wife
Instead of asking why someone like Herman Cain thinks they have a right to run for any political office, we should be asking why does anyone (including Rick Perry) think they should be able to spend their entire adult life in one political office after another?

Rick Perry hasn't spent his entire adult life in one political office or another, unless adulthood begins when you're 34 years old.

One of the best packaged marketing schemes is this notion that Herman Cain is a non-politician, an "outsider". Herman deserves a great deal of credit for selling that malarkey.

Herman Cain has been involved in national politics at least since 1996. He has run for national office in 2000, 2004, and now once again. Perry, who started at it in 1984, has more years of it under his belt, but ole Herman is doing his best to catch up! As a matter of fact, if Herman keeps at it for a while longer, we may be able to refer to him as a career candidate, the Ralph Nader of the 21st century! :)

41 posted on 10/28/2011 12:01:08 PM PDT by smoothsailing (FUMR-FUBO)
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To: smoothsailing
Rick Perry hasn't spent his entire adult life in one political office or another, unless adulthood begins when you're 34 years old.

OK, you got me on that one. The first 13 adult years of Perry's adult life weren't spent in political office.

But since then, over the last 27 years, he has spent his adult life in one political office after another. Rick Perry hasn't spent his ENTIRE adult life in political office, only 2/3 of his adult life in political office.

Yep, you got me on tht one. Glad we could clear that up.

Really, who would dare say someone that is in their 60s and has held one political office or another continually since they were 34 is a career politican? What was I thinking?

42 posted on 10/28/2011 12:13:37 PM PDT by Brookhaven (I believe in the seperation of school and state)
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To: Brookhaven

No matter how you wish to define experience, experience is self evident. If you believe that business experience is more important than political experience that is your call. However, to say that experience in a particular profession is a bad thing is just silly.


43 posted on 10/28/2011 12:14:20 PM PDT by Quicksilver (Defeat Obama - zero-sum games will get us Zero, again.)
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To: smoothsailing
New VIDEO: Rick Perry – Cut, Balance and Grow
44 posted on 10/28/2011 12:37:43 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: smoothsailing

There you go again. :)


45 posted on 10/28/2011 12:42:32 PM PDT by Quicksilver (Defeat Obama - zero-sum games will get us Zero, again.)
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To: Brookhaven
What was I thinking?

You weren't thinking, you were engaging in hyperbole, you've all but admitted as much. I applaud you for your candor. The more obsessive anti-Perry posters wouldn't rise to your level of honesty.

46 posted on 10/28/2011 12:43:25 PM PDT by smoothsailing (FUMR-FUBO)
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To: Grunthor
Frankly it might even be the smart bet. Until Cain does collapse however, I am going to back him. I am not emotionally attached to him so I have back-ups.

Me too.

My only real emotional attachment was my 4 year secret love affair with Sarah.

She decided not to run and she rejected my offer of life on a beautiful island, so broken-hearted I moved to the next best conservative {but with no emotional attachment}.

I think that Herman will surprise a lot of the folks.

I saw him last summer at a TEA party and he was great.

47 posted on 10/28/2011 12:49:37 PM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the Terrorists Savages)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I have read the title and the article repeatedly, but I read it again as you requested. How you can read this and come away with the sense that the author is saying anything other than career politicians are more qualified than businessmen for high office is beyond me. He does not use the word 'statesmen' as you did. He does not qualify successful three term governors. He even goes so far as to imply that Corzine was a failure because he was a businessman and Christie is a success because he is a politician. That logic requires you to suspend all other factors like Corzine is a raging crony socialist.

You are the one who has hitched Rick Perry to this delusional article which under normal circumstances would require a Barf! tag on Freerepublic.

Amid the slings of outrageous fortune, the politician learns how to inspire and persuade, how to avoid unnecessary minefields and pick his fights, when to accommodate his opponents and when to confront them, how to build a coalition and keep it together. A businessman might have similar challenges, but they aren’t played out in the public arena in the context of a balky, democratic political system that rarely moves on the basis of one man’s orders.

I understand that someone who has never held political office will have his handicaps, and they are large. Government is completely unlike any business in the world. I think it's common sense that governors are the closest in experience to the Presidency.

That being said, There are certainly drawbacks to spending 27 straight years in elected office. People who have made a career pandering for votes for the next election and spend every waking moment grasping for power are destroying this country. Can you prove Rick Perry isn't like all those others? Did he vote for Jimmy Carter and Walter Mondale over Ronald Reagan? Did he vote for Michael Dukakis in 1988 after Al Gore dropped out? Was the Democrat Party in Texas from 1984 to 1989 more conservative than the Republican Party of Texas in the same time period? Were the ideals, goals and plans of the Democrat Party in the middle of Ronald Reagan's term more conservative than the Republicans? Or was he a Democrat because it was the most likely path to win and keep elected office? Why did he switch parties? Did he have a massive conservative epiphany in 1989? After eight years of watching Ronald Reagan did he finally, one year after campaigning for Al Gore, figure out that republicans were more conservative than Democrats? Or was he switching horses when he saw his state, or more importantly his district, turning Republican? Right after becoming a Republican he ran for state wide office, rather than stay in the minority in the State Legislature. Coincidence? Maybe. But it's a pattern followed by thousands of career politicians.

As I told you before, Governor Perry is my second choice at this time. Romney, Huntsman and Johnson are the only other governors and are completely unqualified because of their positions. Gingrich, Paul and Bachmann have zero executive experience. That makes Perry #2 on the list. But he walks like a career politician and quacks like a career politician. And unlike the author of the article I don't think that's a compliment.

48 posted on 10/28/2011 12:55:11 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Brookhaven
Rick Perry hasn't spent his ENTIRE adult life in political office, only 2/3 of his adult life in political office.

Fractions are fun! Did you know that Herman Cain has spent over 1/2 as many years as Rick Perry engaged in politics and seeking elective office? :)

49 posted on 10/28/2011 1:08:25 PM PDT by smoothsailing (FUMR-FUBO)
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To: Pan_Yan
The last paragraph of the Lowry piece:

And the businessman’s work doesn’t depend on a philosophical commitment to a set of ideas. The best politicians, like the non-businessman Ronald Reagan, translate their principles into reality in a way that rises to statesmanship. It’s not important not to be a politician; it’s important to be a really good one.

Rick Perry has said he voted for Ronald Reagan. He said he voted for Carter because he (as many did) felt he would be good for farmers. But then he realized the party he'd been raised in, wasn't his party -- the growing Republican party was -- and he became the first Republican Lt. Gov of Texas since Reconstruction.

50 posted on 10/28/2011 1:13:54 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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