Posted on 11/01/2011 5:26:24 AM PDT by lbryce
Cain is an honorable man. Even if something DID happen (which I believe did not), he’s still an honorable man, since just about everyone else around him has stated that he’s never even hinted at anything inappropriate with any other female colleages who have spoken about it. For Clinton that was very much NOT the case as Paula Jones, Gennifer Flowers, etc. have stated.
Although, I’ve reached the point where, as long as he has a plan to get this country on track, I don’t care if he fornicates with farm animals.
GO HERMAN CAIN!!!!!
I would have been very suspicious of Herman Cain had the GOP Establishment, the MSM and the Rats not done their level best to utterly destroy the man.
Yes, We Cain!
If a man said to a female employee... have sex with me or I will fire you... then he is a cad. That being said, a male boss that says, “I really like your new hair-do or you look very nice today... that is a compliment. Personally, I don’t know too many women who would complain if a male boss (or a male anything) gave them a compliment. In fact, the women I know... it would make their day!
As a former senior exec in a large multi-national corp, I can tell you that there are lots of disputes between employees and management which are resolved (aka "settlement or "agreement") where the manager involved is not aware of the nature of the settlement other than the issue was resolved and the employee has left the company. In most cases the employee is entitled to at least severance pay and unpaid vacation, so there is almost always some sort of a payment owing in any event. A senior exec such as Cain would never be involved in the actual discussions and minutia of such disputes. There is no reason to doubt his account of these issues.
That is illegal to do in Maryland per the wiretapping law they went after Linda Tripp on. Video is OK but any voice recordings that one party reasonably expects privacy is illegal. Except for a criminal evidence loophole, it is illegal to tape even for evidence in a civil case.
38 posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2011 8:02:28 AM by dirtboy: “A fair assessment, and the Cain staffers need to hone up on their rapid response capabilities, and Cain needs to learn to keep his mouth shut until he has the whole story, something he failed to do on the n-head issue as one example. He does need to make the transition from radio show mindset to front-runner mindset in a hurry - you just can't shoot off your mouth without gathering all the facts when you are the front running and an army of hacks is nipping at your heels, just looking for any opportunity to trip you up.”
43 posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2011 8:08:17 AM by GOPyouth: “I agree. He needs to be prepared and on message. I highly doubt the Politico showed their cards. They are just waiting on Cain to say something they can prove inaccurate. That's not saying they have anything damaging on him, but just want to trip him up. I won't jump on the kneecapping campaign right now. Cain did that to Perry on the rock, which pissed me off to no end. However, I like Cain, and I hope that the story can be put behind him. I also hope this is a lesson learned on shooting from the hip on issues that he is not fully briefed.”
Bingo, bingo, bingo!
Somehow Sen. Barack Obama managed to go in the Democratic Party from “I want to vote for a minority who consistently opposed the war, unlike Clinton and Edwards, to myself feel good” to become a serious presidential candidate, all without making the typical mistakes that someone makes in that transition. Either Obama is a master politician who learned well at the hands of the Daley machine in Chicago (quite possible) or he was incredibly lucky.
Let's face facts. Lots of people like Cain because they love the idea of proving the Republican Party is not bigoted. Lots of people like Cain because we think his business background and Federal Reserve background may help him fix our economic nightmare. Lots of people like Cain because he's not Gov. Mitt Romney.
However, Cain has very little government experience and most of us knew very little about him until recently. That means his support is soft and could quickly change. His opponents know that. I hope he does, too.
He's not used to living life in a fishbowl. If you own a private company, you and/or your partners or stockholders are the boss, and you answer to nobody but them when the rubber hits the road.
Cain is now running for president. He is asking **US** to hire him. We in the American electorate are going to be his bosses if he wins, and he needs to figure out really fast how to handle a major national campaign.
I have not decided how I will vote. I really, really wish that Cain were running for governor or senator; I could easily support a business executive for a position like that. I am gravely concerned about electing a man with no prior experience in elected office, let along executive experience.
We Republicans made a very big deal in 2008 about Sen. Barack Obama’s lack of experience. We were right then, and we're right now to be asking hard questions of Herman Cain. Personally I hope those questions get answered. I'd like to vote for Cain, but I need to be convinced, and how he handles this uproar will be a big part of my decision on whether he's “ready for prime time” in handling a scandal accusation.
Now let's close with something else. I don't know what Cain did or did not do years ago with the woman accusing him. What I do know is that any man in a position of power has women who want him, or at least want to trap him to get some money from him. A strong warning: stay out of such situations. Avoid cases where you can be credibly accused, even if the accusations are false. This is not political correctness; we've done this for years with financial matters to make sure people not only don't steal from the company but couldn't steal without being caught.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Even if the accusation is bogus, it can destroy someone’s reputation. Avoid such situations. Be able to prove not only that something didn't happen, but that it COULDN'T have happened — Billy Graham's policy of not allowing his staff to be be alone with any woman other than their spouse may be impossible in a business setting unless you're the boss and can set the rules, but it's a good goal to strive for in your own personal life.
“No...time to ask for a refund”
I strongly doubt that you would recieve one since any money you might donate would have gone to Perry.
“I strongly doubt that you would recieve one since any money you might donate would have gone to Perry.”
OOps—sorry. I meant to say Romney. They resemble each other so closely...
We had a PRESIDENT who stuck his tiny brain into anything that could breathe, and liberals swoon over him to this very day. Now some vague charge from twenty years ago against Mr. Cain, and they go crazy like it is a big deal.
They all need to sit down and shut up.
If Cain were to self destruct it would leave me in a bind. Romney is totally unacceptable and Perry is a bit better than Romney but still unappealing. Cain really was looking like a gem in a pile of dog-crap.
I knew to expect anything at this point, but if Cain is still talking about this in 2 to 4 weeks it will be really bad.
Precisely...to further complicate the matter all claims and grievances are confidential. You do not have the right to confront your accuser nor do you get any information that could lead to their identity. In short, you are left utterly defenseless in order to protect the "victim" from retribution. To give Cain the benefit of the doubt he may have never known the nature of the accusation or the terms of any settlement, that's how these things work...the lawyers and diversity officers handle all the paperwork.
One must expect such antics to play out. The stakes are so high.
I can appreciate what you went through with the female employee.
One thing to remember, though — sexual harassment and sexual misconduct ***DOES*** happen. The feminist movement didn't come out of a vacuum; there were bad men doing bad things to women back in the days when powerful men often knew they could get away with it.
The problem with the feminist push to defend victims is not that the victims needed to be defended — they did — but that some advocates of victims forget that the processes of justice are intended to presume innocence of the person accused and guarantee a fair trial.
I've personally dealt with cases where I am sure, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that a man was guilty based on the reports of women I trusted who didn't have corroborating witnesses. Without backup witnesses, I didn't have the evidence to do any more than scare the men with the warning that I'm paying attention, and that if there were other skeletons in his closet he'd better make sure the behavior stopped before I got evidence that ***WOULD*** stand up.
It's amazing how men will sometimes have “voluntary transfers” when they know a reporter is doing serious digging into their history of extracurricular activities with subordinates.
Cain may be falsely charged. These things rarely happen as isolated incidents; if there is no pattern of accusations, he's probably innocent.
Watch for a pattern of similar accusations. That's what tripped up Bill Clinton (pun intended); eventually the blue dress showed up, but people went digging because it became clear to a lot of people that he had a pattern of coverups of questionable behavior, so they were on the alert for it.
Let's not blame the anti-Cain people too much here. Devil's advocates are useful. We need to make sure the Republican candidate, if it's Cain, is thoroughly vetted **BEFORE** the Democrats get hold of him in the general election. That was one of Sarah Palin’s big selling points; any dirt probably was out there for everyone to see.
We can't say that about Cain who is still largely unknown.
SueRae wrote: “ANYONE can make a claim as to sexual harassment, “uncomfortable” or hostile work environment, etc...and get away with it...and also get paid for it. When a company settles, the outcome haunts the individual for years....as we see hear.”
94 posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2011 11:20:33 AM by JrsyJack: “Precisely...to further complicate the matter all claims and grievances are confidential. You do not have the right to confront your accuser nor do you get any information that could lead to their identity. In short, you are left utterly defenseless in order to protect the “victim” from retribution. To give Cain the benefit of the doubt he may have never known the nature of the accusation or the terms of any settlement, that's how these things work...the lawyers and diversity officers handle all the paperwork.”
It is a good thing my business partner thought of videotaping her.....I was too distraught to think at all at that time.
” That is illegal to do in Maryland per the wiretapping law they went after Linda Tripp on. Video is OK but any voice recordings that one party reasonably expects privacy is illegal. Except for a criminal evidence loophole, it is illegal to tape even for evidence in a civil case. “
It’s a good thing the girl didn’t know about the privacy laws in California : )
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